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WhoWhatWhy architect and editor-in-chief Russ Baker afresh sat bottomward for a absolute account with Tom Haugh and Kathy Dervin from “Stocks and Jocks” on 670AM radio in Chicago.
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Drain the Swamp | Know Your Meme | drain the swamp memeBaker talks about why the boilerplate media is so afraid to dig deeper, and how the American accessible has been cautiously conditioned not to catechism orthodoxies or to seek added truths about society’s ills. He break bottomward how the vested interests of the affluent and able access the account aeon and can absolute our absorption to assertive affairs — and abroad from others.
The chat additionally covers the Russiagate scandal, and WhoWhatWhy’s all-embracing advertisement on how money and assorted players from the above Soviet Union came to apply access over Trump and his company. Baker additionally talks about area the aspersion may go next.
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Kathy:
We’ve got aback by accepted appeal Russ Baker, the Editor in Chief of the website WhoWhatWhy.org.
The hurricanes agape it off the advanced pages but Russ is actuality to put Russia Gate aback on the advanced page. Welcome aback to the show, Russ.
Russ Baker:
Thank you, consistently animated to do it.
Kathy:
You reprised the adventure on your website on the ceremony of the University of Texas Massacre in 1966, in the deathwatch of that Las Vegas story?
Tom:
I apprehend that. What’s it? The two days, the 50th year ceremony is the year that bodies can backpack buried weapons on campus? Isn’t that special? That’s unbelievable.
Kathy:
It was August 1st 2016. Welcome to Texas.
Tom:
Welcome to Texas.
Kathy:
We haven’t talked about Russia Gate in a while Russ and we were acquisitive you could acquaint us things like: Who is Michael Cohen? Who is Felix Sater? Why do we affliction about them?
Russ Baker:
If I may, I’d aloof like to tie calm a agglomeration of capacity here. As you’ve mentioned, I am the Architect and Editor in Chief of the account website alleged WhoWhatWhy.org. We’re a non-profit alignment and we don’t acquire any announcement and the acumen we’re structured that way is because we appetite to do a affectionate of journalism that I alone acquainted I couldn’t consistently do aback I was alive at some of the beyond enactment entities.
I achievement you don’t apperception if I aloof anatomy this, I anticipate it would be absorbing for admirers as we get into the accurate issues we’ll allocution about. Everybody talks about affected account and of course, there actually is a botheration with affected account and growing affirmation that the Russians accept array of baffled the adeptness to dispense ample sectors of our citizenry into assertive things that artlessly are not true. That is a actual absolute affair that at WhoWhatWhy, we’re abundantly anxious about. But we’re additionally anxious about addition affectionate of affected account and that’s the affected account that comes out of the establishment. It’s a altered affectionate of affected news, it’s abundant added subtle.
For example, you’ll see about a anniversary ago we did a allotment by James Galbraith – the son of John F. Kennedy’s advisor, the economist John Kenneth Galbraith – and he writes about how the Vietnam war, that Kennedy actually was aggravating to get out of Vietnam aback he was killed, and this adventure has been suppressed by the acceptable media. Now PBS has a actual absorbing documentary alternation about the history of Vietnam. It’s all able-bodied and acceptable but it leaves out this actually analytical point.
There are a lot of things activity on area we’re not actually compassionate the abounding ambience of what is accident and I anticipate that applies to some of the things that you aloof mentioned. I anticipate it applies to Russia Gate and I’m blessed to allocution about that, I anticipate It applies to things that are activity on beneath the Trump administration, I anticipate it applies to U.S. adopted policy, I anticipate it applies to about aggregate and I apperceive that your appearance focuses a lot on allowance bodies administer their money and accomplish good, complete investment. And of course, to actually be a acute broker you accept to be able-bodied abreast and you accept to accept what’s actually activity on.
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✅ 25 Best Memes About Drain-The-Swamp | Drain-The-Swamp Memes | drain the swamp memeI anticipate we’re in a crisis appropriate now because we’re not abiding what’s absolute and we’re not abiding what actually is activity on. I anticipate that’s the subtext abaft all of these belief so if we allocution about the shootings in Las Vegas, and that’s such an amazing story. Are we anytime activity to acquisition out what actually fabricated this man go off the balustrade like that? I’m activity to say no because at WhoWhatWhy we allocution about the actuality that in case, afterwards case, afterwards case, we don’t assume to anytime get the absolute story. We get some affectionate of a apparent assay and you mentioned the cutting continued ago in Texas. A man climbed a belfry at the University of Texas In Austin, with a burglarize and he began aloof acrimonious off accidental people.
That adventure is aloof about actually abandoned and now Texas allows a buried carry. Practically any nut can backpack a gun and not aloof backpack a gun, they can backpack them on some of the academy campuses there. You’ve aloof got to anticipate about the aberration of area we’re headed. All of these stories, affective over to Russia gate-
Tom:
Russ, may I arrest you for a second? By the way, I adulation the affair here. My catechism is, was it six months ago … You’ll apperceive this, I don’t. Britain came out with a huge review. No, it was late. It was declared to accept been done a brace of years ago or whatever, of their captivation in Iraq and It was a belittling allegation of their bodies and ours. Brits accept maybe been about longer, I’m not adage they’re perfect. They’re not.
Some of these countries assume a little more, shall we say, introspective, attendant at things like this. Apathy all the bad stuff, apathy all the brainless actuality we did in Vietnam, maybe addition out who the hell dead Kennedy, who knows about that one. Why do we aloof accumulate affective advanced with these wounds open? It seems like it’s our ability to aloof accumulate walking forward, awning it up and accumulate going. Why is that? Are we activity to abound out of it some day or, what’s the deal?
Russ Baker:
Tom, that is such a acceptable question. The best way that I’ve been able to acknowledgment it for myself and I’m still cerebration about this of advance and cerebration about it all the time, is that there’s article in the way that our ability has been constructed, and I don’t anticipate it’s any of us as individuals, but it has been complete either foolishly or accidentally to the point area we’re not declared to ask too abounding questions.
We additionally accept affectionate of a affair area none of us are declared to actually accomplish waves. We’re not actually declared to catechism orthodoxies or added truths and what it actually comes bottomward to is we get told “Shush”. That’s too upsetting. Bodies can’t handle that and that I anticipate is the actually alarming thing. The United States has imposed on abundant of the apple the appeal that they remember. Attending at Germany, Germany has done such a acceptable job of teaching its bodies what happened in Apple War II, how the Nazis came to ability and instituted all kinds of measures to accomplish abiding that could never appear again. It is a actually altered country as a aftereffect of that and you see that afresh and afresh in what you’re talking about, this affectionate of reflection.
In Latin America they had all of those Accuracy Commissions, Argentina, Chile and everything, to see what had happened that their countries had gone so bad bottomward the cesspool of absolutism and absolutism but in the United States, as you say, we never assume to booty stock. I did a book, you’ve had me on to allocution about it, alleged Ancestors of Secrets area I did, you ability alarm it a column mortem on the Bush absolutism and I attending aback at this ancestors that had been, either Admiral or Vice Admiral for 12 out of 20 years to try and bulk out what that ancestors was about. Of course, the Iraq war came out of that and so abounding added things. What I begin is that, oh my gosh, there’s a accomplished added history that we had never been told so it’s partly that we don’t appetite to allocution about these things but it’s additionally partly that we don’t alike apperceive about what actually happened.
Tom:
As they acclimated to say, not to be trite, is there so abundant advice it’s like demography a alcohol out of a blaze hydrant? Is it allotment of it?
Russ Baker:
It’s allotment of that but it’s additionally because we don’t accept abundant abstracts out there who are accommodating and able to characterize and accommodate the bigger picture. Let’s say you allocution about, you acknowledgment Kennedy, you allocution about all these thing, John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, on and on and on. There accept been so abounding of these shootings of leaders in the United States and of advance the way it’s handled is that every distinct time it’s a one off, it’s some nut, there’s no added to it, annihilation to see actuality folks. I mean, aloof logically, if you abstraction apple history, in about every case area leaders of countries were removed there was the duke of added able interests. That aloof makes sense.
If we attending at the statistics, in the United States we’re told that every distinct attack and acknowledged accomplishment to abolish a baton was consistently a nut, which doesn’t accomplish any faculty because there’s so abounding able armament arrayed. Our country has a continued history of activity into added countries to remove, generally violently, adopted leaders. Logically, there should be an assay actuality provided to say “Hey, we may not be accepting the accomplished adventure here.” That I anticipate would acknowledgment your affair about the blaze corrupt of information, to footfall aback and accommodate that affectionate of assay on the big picture.
Tom:
Well, the catechism I…. I actually accept to ask you. I don’t apperceive if this is one, the admirers will acquiesce me to, but I anticipate somehow accurately or wrongly, and allotment of this came from you cogent us about the Bush affair and aggregate … Somehow or other, bodies accept appear … I won’t say they’re comfortable, but they’ve appear to grips with the actuality that “We’re not accepting the accomplished adventure in a lot of places, and there’s an abominable lot of able bodies in this country and by the way we’re not one of them.”
Somehow or addition I anticipate people, they don’t like it but they accord with it. Apparently bodies in the blow of the apple do as well.
My antenna went up about this activity … I don’t apperceive how abounding bodies put two and two calm like I sometimes do to my affliction … We were activity to use our American pipe, well, it turns out we’re not activity to use American pipes. It’s actually been bought from Canada and oh, by the way the guy from Canada who bought allotment of that aggregation is this oligarch/KGB affluent dude, assemblage man guy from Russia who gave Putin his aboriginal nickel to run for in 1991. Do you anticipate we’re actually ready? I’m not adage this is area this is going, but you apperceive added about this than me. Are we actually accessible to apperceive that allotment of the bodies that we apperceive that accept been propping up our politicians for decades now are from addition country, both Hillary and Trump probably. You anticipate we’re accessible for that? I don’t know. I’m not.
Russ Baker:
I anticipate the aback adventure for that is that money talks and that it’s not … There’s consistently this focus on bogeymen, it’s this person, it’s this group, it’s this absorption or whatever. It doesn’t actually assignment that way. The botheration is that we don’t booty banal of the arrangement and whether the arrangement is actually democratic, if it actually is transparent, it actually represents our interests. I anticipate that what we saw with the Russia affair and what we see with the Trumps is affluent bodies do business with affluent bodies and the blow of us get screwed. The bodies who are accepting busted are the American bodies and the Russian people.
There’s a lot of attack to try and fix accusation to, as they say, demographically and so on. I don’t anticipate it’s about that. I anticipate the botheration is systemic and it’s harder for us to get our easily about that systemic … We accept a allotment up on WhoWhatWhy about the history of these cartels, the German Nazi cartels and about the cooperation amid American business and basically these Nazi concerns. Standard Oil, IBM, with IG Farben that supplied these Zyklon B gas for the absorption camps. There was a bifold dealing, there was all kinds of access amid these firms afore the advance up to it.
Even during Apple War II, about they were traitorists to our own country and they were accomplishing it because there was money to be made, there was burden to bear profits to the shareholders, I anticipate that’s the affectionate of afflictive accuracy and in a way I’ve got say I anticipate we’re all a little bit complicit because, yeah, we appetite our portfolios to do able-bodied and how accommodating are we to booty albatross for the actuality that our investments may be assiduity war or abjection or alarm in the world.
These are the affectionate of big discussions we accept to have, what are our values?
Tom:
Well, Russ, area does the band come? I accept this argument, by the way if you’re anytime in Chicago I’d be blessed to altercate it with you. I’ve got an absorbing accumulation of bodies we altercate with usually over an developed beverage. Somehow, bodies accept this mentality that if you and I, if PTI does something, my firm, if we do article or if any affectionate of account we get out of somebody, which we’d never accept gotten, somehow we don’t deserve it or something, article … I should consistently be so benign to my client, which I’m activity to do anyhow but at some akin all the lath associates at Bank of America charge to anguish about is the basal line.
Somehow, bodies accept gotten this abstraction that the added up the alternation you go, they don’t charge morality. Their absolute chastity is the basal band but at my akin and your level, you can’t accept this guy cogent lies at Stocks and Jocks. Where’s the band actuality area the chastity changes? Somehow we’ve managed to action bodies that that’s okay. Somebody can be a spiral up on a Wells Fargo Lath and she can be Secretary of Transportation abutting day, there’s no … If that happened to you or me, that would never happen.
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Drain the Swamp | Know Your Meme | drain the swamp memeRuss Baker:
First of all, there is the accuracy that we apprehend companies to accomplish able-bodied financially and there is a amazing bulk of pressure, to be fair about it. If somebody is at a aerial akin in Goldman Sachs, it’s their job to do able-bodied for Goldman Sachs and those who account from it. If they can get a favor because they apperceive somebody in the administering or aeon their bodies through this revolving door, why wouldn’t they do it? You can hardly accusation them because that is business.
I would say two things, 1. I anticipate that leaders of all organizations accept to be pressured to accede the greater acceptable to some extent. I don’t think… there is the fiduciary assignment and as you apparently know, a lot of these bodies actually would get in agitation if they were too borough absent because it could be argued that they weren’t accomplishing their primary job, which was to accomplish money for shareholders.
It’s a botheration the way that its broiled in but this is area … We get into this accomplished discussion, ” Is there too abundant government?” And so on. This is area government comes in. Government comes in and says, “I accept why you accept a monopoly, I accept why you accept a bunch because it’s acceptable for you, I accept that but it’s not acceptable for the blow of us and we artlessly cannot acquiesce it.” That affectionate of tension, I believe, is very, actual healthy.
It’s absorbing to attending at the Trump administering because Trump came in balustrade adjoin these accustomed orders and talking about the swamp and the bribery in Washington, but if you attending at what he’s actually doing, he has added than any admiral angry the government over to very, actual affluent bodies who are deregulating aggregate and acceptance all of themselves and their buddies to aloof go tromping appropriate through the field.
Tom:
The actuality afore him, maybe had somewhat of the appropriate abstraction but actually no abstraction of the capacity to the point area … Their attitude was that businesses … Again, I’m in the average on this because I anticipate you charge … I’m from the trading attic so I anticipate you charge to architecture things to area things are competitive. If it’s competitive, you don’t charge actual abounding rules because bodies watch themselves. Once it starts not actuality aggressive you’ve got a problem, in my opinion.
You can’t accord loans to bodies if every time somebody gets a accommodation somebody from the government is attractive over your shoulder. You never body a arch if every time somebody is adjustment a joint, somebody is continuing abutting to them watching them. There’s a akin area the Obama administering acquainted like that the alone acumen why a alike doesn’t abatement out of the sky is because they’re watching United mechanics. No, planes aren’t activity to abatement from the sky because A. It’s bad for business and B. Best bodies accept some conscience, I think. They went way too far but in a actual poor way. They did adjustment but it was all afterwards the barn was done. All they did was annoy people.
Russ Baker:
That’s an absorbing point because I anticipate we’ve all had adventures with bureaucrats and regulations and frustration. It’s a actual difficult act and what you’re anecdotic of advance is this affectionate of beat and I’ll acquaint you what will happen, Trump will do whatever Trump does and afresh there will be acknowledgment publicly, decidedly with these elections actuality so close, you can consistently accept bisected the citizenry added or beneath on one side, bisected on the added but there’s aloof abundant bodies that charge to about-face their votes and afresh the added ancillary comes in and afresh you get a reaction.
All of these things are activity to appear and either activity to say “Oh my God, he can’t handle disasters properly, they don’t accept acceptable accommodation authoritative activity on, you’re activity to accept added Madoff situations, you’re activity to accept added bubbles and collapses and things.” And cipher wants that either. I accede with you. Actuality a president, and more, actuality the bodies abaft the president, bodies who try to appearance these things is actually a amazing albatross to try and get it appropriate because actually the role of a acknowledged government is, as you say, to advance competition, absolute competition, it’s affectionate of like actuality a ref in wrestling. Aback somebody is accomplishing article that actually is not okay, they jump in and they abstracted them and they try to get things activity the appropriate way again.
Tom:
I’ve apparent some actuality on my end and again, I’d adulation to allocution to you for a best … My cogent added is in the absolute acreage business. Somebody about in the aftermost bristles years has absitively aback you go get a mortgage, if you don’t accept a job-job, that you can’t get a mortgage. You could be a plumber authoritative $100,000 for the aftermost 40 years, “That’s not acceptable enough, because you don’t accept a W2.” Yet bodies with W2s get … If somebody somewhere, some bureaucrat, nameless, faceless, has fabricated that call, why?
I accept some audience actuality that accept had asleep accounts, guys who get added money than God, because they’re consultants.” That’s not acceptable enough, you can’t use your income, you’ve got to pay banknote for this place.” Who makes these calls, Russ? Some of these decisions appear out of these bureaucrats like there’s no tomorrow.
Russ Baker:
You apperceive Tom, as a journalist, what I do is I attending into absolutely the affectionate of affair you said. You’ll say to us, “Hey, who makes these calls?” And we’ll say “Let us acquisition out.” So we go and we alpha allurement about and I can acquaint you, in case afterwards case, I’m afraid at the answers.
For example, the banks they may say “We’re accomplishing this because the government makes us do it.” We go and we attending at the government and try to acquisition out what happened and bodies central the government they say “Listen, you apperceive why we do this? Because we were pressured by the industry to crave this.”
Tom:
I wouldn’t alike be surprised. I didn’t say I knew the answer, I said somebody …
Russ Baker:
This is why journalism is so critical. This is why you charge that affectionate of vigilance. I started WhoWhatWhy with nothing, you allocution about a startup, accomplishing things the honest way. I basically acclimated acclaim cards and stuff, went into debt to get the affair going. It’s been a struggle, we are growing. We’re aggravating to do what we can, we don’t accept the assets of these big account organizations but our accomplished attitude is to be doubter to say, “We don’t know. Hey, that’s a abundant catechism he asked, can we put somebody on that activity and try to acquisition out?”
The accessible needs bodies who actually represent them and I anticipate in an ideal apple that’s what journalism is declared to do. Were declared to represent the accessible interest, we’re declared to be the people’s detectives, we’re declared to go out for the people, for Cathleen, for Tom, who accept questions about things, who appetite to apperceive and we’re declared to acquisition out.
Tom:
What do you anticipate this big question, alike admitting I’ve taken you off the alley as I usually do, where’s this Russian affair activity to land?
Russ Baker:
When we started attractive at the Russia affair in 2016 I anticipate we were alert of it, we were skeptical, and I accept that’s a acceptable position for journalism. There were these narratives that alpha communicable on, there were memes, there were fads, whatever they are and you alpha accepting a backpack mentality and we see this all the time with the media. Some anecdotal forms, you apprehend the Washington Post, you apprehend the New York Times, you watch CNN and they all added or beneath are presenting it the aforementioned way. “Saddam Hussein has weapons of accumulation destruction, we accept to go in.” Well, no we didn’t. Pretty big addle-brain there with a lot of after-effects and a lot of bodies died. So whatever it is, you accept to be careful.
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I DRAINED THE SWAMP AND FOUND MY ENTIRE CABINET AT THE BOTTOM meme ... | drain the swamp memeHaving said that, we were very, actual alert at WhoWhatWhy.org. But by ancient in the Spring we were like, “Wow, what are we attractive at here.” And Cathleen beforehand asked about these figures, Felix Sater, Michael Cohen, these are guys who we started attractive at actual aboriginal and I’m actual appreciative of what we’ve done. We started attractive at these bodies who were surrounding Donald Trump. This isn’t aloof about the campaign, this is about these guys who were complex with him years ago and this is about how the Trump alignment came to await on bodies and moneys associated in some way with the countries of the above Soviet Union.
I would say with the beyond ecosystem of a baby cardinal of bodies who managed with the end of communism to grab a lot, had connections, they became what they alarm the oligarchs, and this I anticipate is what we’re attractive at. I accept it’s real, I accept it’s a grave concern. I anticipate what Mueller is accomplishing is actual important. I’m anxious that he’s not activity to be able to go all the way with his analysis because, what we talked about earlier, these shocks are too big for the system.
Imagine that they ascertain that the admiral of the United States was in the pockets of oligarchs or of addition country, I’m not adage he is, but let’s say they ascertain that, what are they activity to do? That is a trauma. Imagine how the markets would respond. These are things that they actually accept to anticipate very, actual anxiously about.
Tom:
Russ, I’m activity to go south ancillary mentality actuality and you ability anticipate I’m nuts. If you go put up a auberge in Moscow and all these guys appetite their allotment and you regrettably accept to pay them off, like actuality in Chicago, not abundant altered really. I ambition it wasn’t like that but I don’t accept a botheration with it necessarily, but if it turns about that all of a abrupt I don’t accept money for my abode and I borrow money from the oligarchs, now I’ve got a problem. Is that me actuality too south sided? I don’t affliction if they appear up and say Donald Trump has paid $20 actor in bribes over the years overseas-
Kathy:
I don’t anticipate that’s what they’re finding.
Tom:
That’s what I’m saying, I don’t anticipate that’s what they’re finding, but if they acquisition out that he owes all these guys in all these places, afresh I got an affair with it. Or am I amiss on that?
Russ Baker:
Well, it abiding looks like he’s got a botheration in that regard. Afresh that arrangement of behavior area he was consistently so adulatory of Putin and so clumsy to alike accede the best basal problems. Bethink some of those accessible statements? He was aggravating to present Russia as a actual blessed situation. No, there actually is a actual able absolute botheration there. Journalists are attempt down. Putin’s claimed enemies, bad things appear to them. This is a actually ambiguous bearings there and for the admiral of the United States not to be able to accede any of that. You accept to ask, it either agency he’s abundantly ignorant, which is I anticipate apparently allotment of it, but it’s additionally aloof that he’s got some bearings there area he can’t allocution about this stuff.
To your point, the affirmation is out there, the statements from Donald Junior and Ivanka themselves talking about how important the above Soviet Union was to the Trump Organization. There it is.
Tom:
Russ, how about giving yourself a abandoned bung and afresh we’re activity to allocution about the activity numbers in a bit.
Russ Baker:
Sure. WhoWhatWhy.org. We’d adulation to accept bodies appear and assurance up for a newsletter. If you abutment our work, you can donate, it’s tax deductible. You can chase us on Twitter WhoWhatWhy and additionally on Facebook.
Tom:
Whenever you’re advancing to Chicago you’re activity to appear see us?
Russ Baker:
I’d adulation to do that.
Kathy:
That sounds great.
Tom:
That sounds abundant buddy. Thank you actual much. As usual.
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