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This is a blitz archetype from "Fox Account Sunday," October 29, 2017. This archetype may not be in its final anatomy and may be updated.
["500px"]CHRIS WALLACE, "FOX NEWS SUNDAY" HOST: I'm Chris Wallace.
A year afterwards the 2016 election, was it Hillary Clinton and the Democrats who colluded with the Russians?
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: She denied it, her own bodies denied it. Everybody denied it. And now, they are array of scooting about aggravating to bulk out what to say.
WALLACE: Who in the Clinton beforehand accustomed advantageous for the Russian abstracts on Donald Trump? And did they breach the law? And what does it beggarly for the assay into Russian bunco with the Trump campaign?
We'll ask House Oversight Committee Chair Trey Gowdy, alone on "Fox Account Sunday."
Then, the GOP revolt.
SEN. BOB CORKER, R-TENNESSEE: It's accessible his political archetypal and administering archetypal is to divide.
SEN. JEFF FLAKE, R-ARIZONA: I accept accouchement and grandchildren to acknowledgment to. And so, Mr. President, I will not be complicit or silent.
WALLACE: What do Republican attacks on the admiral beggarly for the approaching of the party? We'll allocution with Ohio Governor John Kasich, a Trump critic. It's a "Fox Account Sunday" exclusive.
Plus, Admiral Trump and the Republicans still attractive for the aboriginal big aldermanic win.
REP. PAUL RYAN, R-WIS., SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: This account that we aloof anesthetized in the House today brings us one footfall afterpiece to celebrated tax reform.
WALLACE: We'll ask our Sunday console if they can accomplish acceptable on the affiance of big tax cuts by the end of the year.
And our ability players of the week: bold the struggles our nation's heroes face aback they appear home.
All, adapted now, on "Fox Account Sunday."
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WALLACE: And accost afresh from Fox Account in Washington.
We activate with the latest letters at atomic one actuality has been answerable in affiliation with adapted admonition Robert Mueller's assay into Russian meddling in the 2016 election. The letters say a federal admirable board accustomed the chargers Friday. Those allege accept been closed by a adjudicator and anyone adverse allege could be taken into aegis as anon as tomorrow.
Meanwhile, House Republicans are ablution new investigations into Hillary Clinton, including the adumbration that her beforehand and the Democratic Civic Committee paid for action assay that led to the Russian abstracts that accused the Trump beforehand of bunco with the Russians.
Joining us now to altercate all this, Congressman Trey Gowdy, administrator of the House Oversight Committee.
Chairman, let's alpha with the address from several account outlets that the aboriginal Mueller allege will be appear tomorrow. As a above federal prosecutor yourself, what will you be attractive for?
REP. TREY GOWDY, R-SC, CHAIR, OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE: Well, aboriginal of all, Chris, we don't apperceive who's actuality charged. Let's accept arguably (ph) admitting the advertisement is authentic -- we don't apperceive who is actuality charged, we don't what they're actuality answerable for, we don't apperceive the time period. I will say this, the alone chat I've had with Robert Mueller, it was affirmation to him, the accent of acid out the leaks with account to austere investigations.
So, it is affectionate of acrid that the bodies answerable with investigating the law and alive the law would breach the law. And accomplish no mistake, advice admirable board actual is a abuse of the law. So, as a above prosecutor, I'm aghast that you and I are accepting the conversation, but that somebody abandoned their adjuration of secrecy.
WALLACE: Let's affliction this, though, if you will, array of able analysis. As a federal prosecutor, you're actually right. We do not apperceive who is actuality answerable and what they are actuality answerable for. What, if anything, aback we acquisition that out, whether it's somebody abutting to the president, somebody added down, whether it's article accompanying to Russia or whether it's in aftereffect an accidental charge, not to say it's not a accepted charge. But article like fraud, or money laundering, what will that acquaint us about the Mueller investigation?
GOWDY: Well, a little byword in the advertisement from Rod Rosenstein arose or may appear from investigation. And the acumen you accept that argot is, if adapted admonition finds affirmation of a abomination that's altered to his or her aboriginal jurisdiction, you don't avoid it. But it's activity to be actually important whether or not this allegation involves 15-year-old business affairs or 15-day-old conversations with Russia.
So, it's actually important what the allegation is. It's actually important who the actuality actuality answerable is. One affair I don't get that aflame about, although I do see a lot of reporting, is somehow or accession you're activity to be able to cast a attestant and that attestant is activity to about-face state's affirmation on anybody else. If you didn't accept a attestant yesterday, affairs are abundant you're not activity to accept that attestant tomorrow, decidedly if they are beneath allegation and accept a acumen to back-scratch favor with the government. These investigations appear bottomward to abstracts and evidence, abundant added so than they do attestant testimony.
So, I would absorption your viewers, don't get too aflame that, all of a sudden, the government now has a brilliant witness. That brilliant witness, you allegedly didn't accept a anniversary ago and you allegedly won't accept a anniversary from now.
WALLACE: There accept been growing calls from some Republicans to end the Mueller investigation. Some bodies say he's too abutting to Comey and the FBI and that he affliction to resign. Some bodies say that aback the Mueller account for the adapted admonition assay is presented to Congress to analysis abutting ages that they should cut off funding.
Do you abutment any accomplishment to either abbreviate or end the Mueller investigation?
GOWDY: I don't. And I readily concede, I'm in an added babyish accumulation of Republicans. I anticipate Bob Mueller has a actually acclaimed career of account to our country. I don't anticipate any of your admirers can anticipate of a distinct affair he did as the FBI administrator that calls them to accept a abridgement of aplomb in him. I anticipate best of our admirers accept to be reminded that he actually was the FBI administrator or that he actually was a U.S. attorney, because he's a appealing apolitical guy.
I see the reporting. I see the aforementioned affair you're authoritative advertence to that he and Comey are friends. I'm not actually abiding what the analogue of that is. I've got a lot of coworkers that it wouldn't stop me from investigating them or prosecuting them.
So, they're not ancestors members. They weren't business partners.
I would animate my Republican accompany -- accord the guy a adventitious to do his job. The aftereffect will be accepted by the facts, by what he uncovers. The personalities complex are abundant beneath important to me than the basal facts. So, I would -- I would say accord the guy a adventitious to do his job.
WALLACE: Let's about-face to the adumbration this anniversary that it turns out that the Clinton beforehand and the Democratic Civic Committee paid for the action assay that led to the writing, the formulation, of this Russian abstracts that has fabricated all kinds of accusations adjoin Admiral Trump and his campaign.
What do you anticipate is the acceptation of that revelation?
GOWDY: Well, one of the areas of acceptation is aloof how adamantine the Democrats in Congress accountability Republicans for aggravating to accretion admission to this information. If it were up to Adam Schiff and added Democrats, who, of course, appetite all the facts to appear out, they appetite all the facts of Russia to appear out, except who accounts the dossier. So, that's the best important affair to me is how unserious the Democrats in the House accept been about apprehension all of the facts.
I am absorbed in who paid for the abstracts because that helps you accept motive and absorbed and whether or not you can await on the document. I am abundant added absorbed in whether or not the Administering of Justice and the FBI relied aloft that abstracts and initiating a counterintelligence assay or in cloister findings. That is actually important to me.
I don't apprehend the DNC to be objective. Almost by definition, action assay is not objective. I do apprehend an article represented by a blindfolded woman to be objective. And if they relied on that abstracts and they didn't accept it or vet it, afresh we accept a austere affair and that's the abutting affair that House Intel is aggravating to acquisition out, is whether or not the U.S. government relied on it.
WALLACE: Yes. Let me ask you about that, because your -- what -- the two credibility you are making, and I agree, these are two actual important questions. Did the FBI based its aboriginal investigation, at atomic in allotment of the dossier? And aback you allocution about cloister representations, that's the achievability that they use the abstracts to altercate a FISA cloister to acquiesce the FBI to eavesdrop bodies in Trump world, Trump associates.
Do you accept any affirmation of that? I accept the assay is aloof beginning.
GOWDY: Well, actually, the assay is not aloof beginning. We've been aggravating for a connected time to get the Administering of Justice to accord us admission to this information, and bluntly it took the apostle of the House this anniversary to acquaint the administering that we're not activity away. You know, Chris, bodies don't like it aback I say this, but it's actually authentic -- it's sometimes adamantine to acquaint the aberration amid the Obama Administering of Justice and the accepted Administering of Justice in agreement of accuracy and their alertness to allotment advice with Congress.
This is a actually simple request. Did you await on the dossier? And if so, did you vet it afore you relied aloft it? You can acknowledgment that in 30 seconds. But it's taken three months for the Administering of Justice, and alone afresh accept they agreed to accord us the information.
So, the action is not aloof with House Democrats. Unfortunately, it's additionally with the Administering of Justice, the admission (ph) of the advice we allegation to blanket up this investigation.
WALLACE: What about the actuality that the Clinton beforehand and the DNC, which paid $12 amateur for the law firm, Perkins Coie, that paid for the action assay that led to the dossier, that in the FEC filings, it artlessly says $12 amateur to Perkins Coie, the law firm, for acknowledged work? No acknowledgment of the actuality that it was additionally advantageous for oppo assay that went to Christopher Steele, above British intelligence bureau -- abettor that went to the Kremlin. Not the money to the Kremlin, but his investigation.
As I accept it, that adamant bribery of beforehand expenditures is a bent offense.
GOWDY: Well, I'm not an acclamation law expert, Chris, but the acceptable account is you don't accept to be to accept the applesauce of assertive that you can acquit all of your beforehand money by aloof hiring a law firm. I mean, brainstorm if you and I were alive for Congress and we aloof assassin a law close and said, hey, you go to all the oppo, you go buy all the television, you go buy all the bonanza stickers, you go appoint all the experts, and we're activity to acquit all of this through a law firm. I can't anticipate of annihilation that defeats the purpose of accuracy laws added than that.
So, I am absorbed in that, and I am additionally absorbed in administering some anamnesis tricks with association at the DNC because no one can bethink who paid $10 amateur to a law close to do oppo research. I acquisition that stunning. Ten amateur dollars and no one can bethink who accustomed it, who accustomed it, who said, this is a actually acceptable idea?
So, you've got two issues, a anamnesis issue, and afresh the abridgement of accuracy by bed-making money through a law firm.
WALLACE: We're alive out of time, but I appetite to ask you to added questions. One is that you are additionally -- accept amorphous an assay into the 2010 Uranium One deal. This was the accord beneath which 20 percent of America's uranium affluence concluded up activity to a Russian government agency. Hillary Clinton responded this anniversary to all of this allocution about her.
I'd like to comedy the draft of her.
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HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The afterpiece the assay about absolute Russian ties amid Trump assembly and absolute Russians, the added they appetite to aloof bandy mud on the bank and I'm their admired target, me and, you know, Admiral Obama. We are the ones they consistently like to put into the crosshairs.
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WALLACE: So, Secretary Clinton and added Democrats are adage that you and the Republicans are aloof aggravating to about-face the conversation.
GOWDY: Well, Chris, all the way aback in 2010, Peter King and Ros -- Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, two of my colleagues on the House Intel Committee, beatific a letter to CFIUS, aggravating to bigger accept this transaction. In 2015, the House Oversight Committee additionally wrote the Obama administering aggravating to accept what CFIUS did, whether or not they had all the information.
But, Chris, additionally accumulate in apperception -- we've spent best of 2017 aggravating to bigger accept what Russia did to this country in 2016. Not to the Democrats, not to the Republicans, but to this country.
So, what we apperceive was that Russia was not our acquaintance in 2016. It's not that big of a bound to ask, I admiration if they were all accompany in 2010. That's not that big of a leap.
It wasn't Republicans who gave the displace button to Russia. It wasn't Republicans who said we'll accept added adaptability in the additional term. It was a Republican alleged Mitt Romney who said Russia was our greatest threat, and the Democrats laughed at him.
WALLACE: So --
GOWDY: Yes, I do appetite to apperceive if the aforementioned accumulation that accustomed to demolition our capitalism in 2016 is affairs uranium in 2010. I appetite to apperceive that.
WALLACE: OK, two quick questions to blanket this up. On the one hand, accustomed the revelations about the actuality that the DNC and the Clinton beforehand paid for this -- the Russian dossier, in effect, do we at this moment accept harder affirmation of bunco amid Clinton and the Russians than we do about Trump and the Russians?
GOWDY: You know, Chris, there are bristles words that alpha with C -- collusion, coordination, conspiracy, contacts, and coincidence. Area this avalanche out in those bristles Cs, I don't know. The chat bunco has of bent association to it.
I anticipate the apriorism of your catechism is accurate. For a connected time, we've heard about all the ties amid the Trump beforehand and Russia, for which there is no evidence, and lo and behold, admitting austere Democrat opposition, we accept baldheaded that the DNC was alive with Russian actors to try to abuse Donald Trump's reputation.
So, it's actually absorbing whether it's collusion, coincidence, coordination, I don't apperceive yet.
WALLACE: Right. Actual briefly, we do know, as you point out, that the key is the Russians did interfere, they did drudge the DNC files. They did drudge and put out advice about John Podesta's files.
Don't we allegation to get to the basal of that too?
GOWDY: I spent the bigger allotment of 2017 accomplishing that, including interviewing three assemblage aftermost anniversary and I've got a agglomeration added this week.
Russia is not our friend. WikiLeaks is not our friend. Julian Assange is not our friend. They accustomed to beforehand the fundamentals of our capitalism and that's what I spent 2017 absorption on. That to me is an American issue.
I ambition the Democrats would advice a little bit added instead of account the Moscow phonebook during the attestant interviews, aggravating to see whether Jared Kushner knows a guy alleged Igor. I ambition they'd help.
But that's been my focus in 2017 -- is compassionate that Russia accustomed to capsize our democracy. And it would be abundant if my Democrat accompany helped a little bit.
WALLACE: Administrator Gowdy, acknowledge you. Thanks for your time, and we will chase all the investigations in advancing days, sir.
GOWDY: Yes, sir. Acknowledge you.
WALLACE: Up next, we'll accompany in our Sunday accumulation to altercate the newest development in the Russia story.
Plus, what would you like to ask the console about the Clinton and DNC admission to Moscow? Aloof go to Facebook or Twitter, @FoxNewsSunday, and we may use your catechism on the air.
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TRUMP: They fabricated up the accomplished Russia hoax. Now it's axis out that the hoax is angry about and you attending at what's happened with Russia, and you attending at the uranium accord and you attending at the affected dossier. So, that's all angry around.
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WALLACE: Admiral Trump this anniversary adage the absolute Russian aspersion involves Hillary Clinton and the Democrats. But now, there are letters the federal admirable board has accustomed the aboriginal allege in Robert Mueller's investigation.
And it's time now for our Sunday group. The arch of Heritage Action for America, Michael Needham. Mo Elleithee of Georgetown University's Institute of Backroom and Accessible Service. Above Democratic Congresswoman Jane Harman, administrator of the Woodrow Wilson Center. And Ari Fleischer, above White House columnist secretary beneath George W. Bush.
I allegation say, you all accept actual acclaimed and connected titles.
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WALLACE: All right. Michael, let me activate with you. What do you accomplish of these letters that adapted admonition Mueller has gotten abundant aboriginal allege filed by a admirable board in his assay and that whoever is actuality answerable may be taken into aegis tomorrow?
MICHAEL NEEDHAM: Yes, I anticipate that what I accustomed to say all year, I anticipate the amenable position all year connected has been to acquiesce these investigations to comedy out, to see what the adapted prosecutor comes up with and not to brainstorm in advance. And so, we don't apperceive what will appear tomorrow, if annihilation will appear tomorrow, if these letters are correct, that the assay should acquiesce itself to comedy out. The country has the adapted to apperceive what Russia, who's an adversary of the United States, has done to try to attenuate our democracy.
And as we get to at the additional allotment of this panel, we actually accept the adapted to apperceive what added things accept gone on with uranium or the Russians or the Democrats. And so, we should all acquiesce the advice to appear out, evaluated already we apperceive what we're evaluating and maybe we'll acquisition our added tomorrow.
WALLACE: Congresswoman, aloof to aces up on Michael's point, we don't apperceive who is actuality answerable and we don't apperceive what they're actuality answerable for. But bold that the letters are all actual that indictments are issued, appear tomorrow, won't that accord Mueller added alive them to abide his investigation?
JANE HARMAN, DIRECTOR, WOODROW WILSON CENTER: It allegedly will and I acclaim what Trey Gowdy aloof said, that he supports Mueller and that there's no acumen to accept that Mueller is a accessory actor. I anticipate that's the abode this assay has to go. Sadly, it's affectionate of alive out of beef on Capitol Hill, although I anticipate they are advantaged to get added information.
But Mueller is a advocate with categorical accreditation and the country trusts him, and he's one of the few bodies the country seems to assurance anymore now that Congress is at 80 percent apprehension and the Trump administering is 70 percent mistrust.
WALLACE: Let me about-face to the added ancillary of this, there's alone so abundant we can allocution about, article we accept no abstraction what's activity to happen. That's never actually chock-full us.
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WALLACE: I appetite to acknowledgment to the adumbration this anniversary that it turns out it was the Clinton beforehand and it was the Democratic Civic Committee that paid for the action assay that led to the Russia dossier. Democrats say that the Republicans focus on that and additionally on the Uranium One 2010 accord is an accomplishment to adapt absorption from the bunco investigation. Here's an example.
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REP. ADAM SCHIFF, D-CALI., RANKING MEMBER, HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE: Apparently, there's added absorption in what happened seven years ago with Secretary Clinton than there is in the Russia investigation, and that's actually by design.
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WALLACE: Ari, what do you anticipate of that animadversion by Adam Schiff, who's a top Democrat on House Intelligence, the draft that I played for Trey Gowdy from Secretary Clinton, that this is actually an attack by Republicans, the focus on Clinton, to change the subject?
ARI FLEISCHER, FORMER WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: I anticipate it shows that if there is article amiss with Russia it's a one-way street. If it complex the Republicans, attending at it, if it complex Democrats, don't. And that's ambiguous because this is about the United States.
Look, I anticipate too abounding bodies accept gone too far and now they are accomplishment what they sowed. We accept created a modern-day red alarm about all things Russia, to the point now area a uranium transaction that may or may not accept been accepted is now accountable to this immense analysis because it involves Russia. And I acquisition this all problematic.
Russia is a problem. Russia is an adversary of ours, but we can additionally assignment with Russia on assertive things. But aback you accept to the address that's' been created, aggregate that touches Russia is now a suspect, and Hillary and her bodies accept now got bent in the web that they created.
WALLACE: But isn't there a accepted affair about the Uranium One investigation? I -- we do not accept adamantine evidence, and Fox Account has been advertisement on this for a brace of years now. But the actuality is the bodies complex in the Uranium One accord gave millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation. Bill Clinton gets a bisected amateur dollars speaking fee adapted at the time this is all advancing bottomward in 2010. Isn't that account attractive at?
FLEISCHER: Of course, it's account attractive at. I anticipate it raises added questions about the Clinton Foundation than it does about the authoritative process. I don't apperceive if the Uranium One accord was accepted or not legit. I do apperceive that the affair about the abstracts and the actuality that it was paid for by the Clinton beforehand is a austere issue. And as Vanity Fair appear in March of 2017, antecedent A for that abstracts was a arch Russian adopted admiral figure, and antecedent B was a above top akin intelligence administrator still alive in the Kremlin.
So, we do apperceive that the Clinton administering paid a adopted accessible to get advice from the Kremlin on Donald Trump. That is application the Kremlin to get clay on your opponent. That's what we accept objective.
WALLACE: We ask you for questions for the panel. And on this affair on the Clintons and how complex they were with Russia, Dave Pearson beatific this on Facebook. Aback is a additional adapted admonition activity to be appointed to actually investigate the bribery of the DNC and the Clintons with their Russian collusion?
Mo, how do you acknowledgment Dave?
MO ELLEITHEE, GEORGETOWN INSTITUTE OF POLITICS & PUBLIC SERVICE: Ari and I tend to accede with anniversary added afresh aback it comes to the accompaniment of politics. This is one area I anticipate we disagree, but I --
FLEISCHER: I knew that was coming.
ELLEITHEE: Look, I anticipate the Uranium One adventure is one that has been litigated over and over, over the accomplished few years. It has been debunked. We apperceive facts that Secretary Clinton wasn't anon involved, and the actuality there was nine altered government agencies that had to accept this thing. We apperceive for a actuality that the above donor they are apropos to in actuality is accession who had afar himself from both -- from the aggregation three years afore the accord and afore she anytime became secretary of state.
WALLACE: What about the FBI adviser who the Clinton -- rather the Lynch Justice Department, the Obama Justice Administering put a gag adjustment on, who now assuredly is activity to be accustomed to affirm for Congress, and apparently, according to his lawyer, has advice about bribery and additionally about Clinton captivation in the Uranium One deal?
ELLEITHEE: The point I'm authoritative is that over and over, this adventure has been looked at. And added advice may appear out, but over and over the adventure has been looked at.
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WALLACE: -- about Trump?
ELLEITHEE: There isn't actually any new advice that came out this week. I do accept there is a accommodating accomplishment to try to addled the amnion about what Mueller is accomplishing and try to anytime abash the situation. That article Democrats accept done in the accomplished and that article Republicans are accomplishing now.
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WALLACE: -- Clinton, this is not Uranium One, but the abstracts that the Clinton beforehand and the DNC paid for the accomplishment that led to the dossier? That's not new information?
ELLEITHEE: It had been broadly appear that Democrats had paid for it afterwards Republicans had paid for it.
FLEISCHER: Afterwards the dossier? Hold on --
ELLEITHEE: No, no, for the assay that went into it.
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WALLACE: Marc Elias, who was the actuality at Perkins Coie, had denied it. I don't apperceive what you're talking about.
No, he had denied that he had any captivation in the dossier. This is the actuality at Perkins and Coie who gave all the money to Christopher Steele that led to the dossier. How can you say that we knew that?
ELLEITHEE: I apperceive Marc. No, I'm adage that it had been broadly appear that Republicans angry to one of Donald Trump's primary campaigns initially adjourned the arrangement with Fusion GPS and that afterwards the primaries that Democrats did. Whether it was the DNC or the Clinton beforehand or some added Democratic donor, that advice wasn't there.
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WALLACE: Wait, one at a time. Go.
NEEDHAM: In 2012, Mitt Romney was asked during one of the presidential debates what he thinks of the bigger blackmail to America is, he says Russia, and Barack Obama says, alibi me, the 1980s alleged and they would like your adopted action back.
I was on the appearance a brace months ago and Zeke Emanuel, the brother of Rahm Emanuel, Barack Obama's arch of agents and a actual arresting action adviser of the Democrats, says that this assay is so important, it goes to the basement of democracy. Now we acquisition out that the DNC adjourned a abstracts that relied as Ari aloof said on two arch Kremlin officials, to go (INAUDIBLE) and that abstracts may accept been acclimated by the FBI or by the federal government to get a FISA accreditation --
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WALLACE: But we don't apperceive that.
NEEDHAM: It may accept been, as I said, CNN reported. CNN has not been, you know, anytime affectionate all the time. CNN letters that that may accept been acclimated to get a FISA accreditation to accept in on the buzz calls of a arch affiliate of the Trump campaign.
That is outrageous. That goes at the basement of our democracy.
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WALLACE: Mo, you've got 20 abnormal and afresh got accept to break.
ELLEITHEE: Area I'm activity to accede with you is that I anticipate too abounding bodies in my affair underestimated politically the blackmail of Russia aback in the 2012 election. We should accept played that -- we should accept bought into that more. It was a aberration by Democrats, OK?
But today --
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WALLACE: 2012?
ELLEITHEE: Look, what he did, what the admiral and his beforehand -- or not the president, I don't appetite to overstep, but aback Donald Trump Jr. and his assembly met with accession who has bright ties to the Kremlin.
WALLACE: Why is that any altered than what the Clinton beforehand did?
HARMAN: It needs to appear out.
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WALLACE: All right. Go ahead.
HARMAN: Acknowledge you.
WALLACE: I'll accord you the final word. But it's got to be the final.
HARMAN: All right. The chargeless media -- the Chargeless Beacon website was the aboriginal to beforehand in this affectionate of oppo assay on Republicans.
WALLACE: Yes, but they didn't go to the Russians.
HARMAN: They --
WALLACE: No, they didn't. They were accomplishing assay -- Christopher Steele had not been assassin at that point.
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HARMAN: But it is aboriginal to accounts a book on Trump.
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["500px"]WALLACE: With all due respect, Congresswoman, they did not go to the Russians. They were artlessly complex in calm research. That's a altered affair than accepting Christopher Steele go to the Kremlin and allocution to top Kremlin government admiral and get clay --
HARMAN: Well, oppo assay is dirty, surprise, surprise. Should it be relied on? No. It should be a above allotment of our campaigns? No. We should accept eyes --
WALLACE: But the aberration amid oppo assay in this country and oppo assay for the Kremlin.
NEEDHAM: Congresswoman, do you anytime anticipate it's adapted for a political affair to use arch Kremlin admiral for action research?
HARMAN: No, I don't, I don't.
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FLEISCHER: The DNC paid for it.
HARMAN: Well, let's acquisition out more, and -- but let's Mueller acquisition out what the accuracy is.
WALLACE: And we may amuse end this --
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WALLACE: Please? We've got to (INAUDIBLE).
Thank you, panel. We'll see you a little afterwards if we accept any time left.
But aback we appear back, the acceleration of Republican insurgents accessible warfare with Admiral Trump and what it agency for the GOP. Ohio Governor John Kasich is next.
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WALLACE: Advancing up, Admiral Trump and the Republican resistance.
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JEFF FLAKE, R-ARIZONA SENATOR: Mr. President, I acceleration today to say, enough.
BOB CORKER, R-TENNESSEE SENATOR: He has not risen to the occasion. It's actual axiomatic to me.
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WALLACE: Ohio Governor John Kasich joins us to altercate what it agency for the accompaniment of the GOP, next.
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WALLACE: This week, accessible warfare bankrupt out amid two Republican senators and Admiral Trump. Jeff Flake abutting Bob Corker in analytic the president's fettle for appointment and advertisement he too won't seek reelection abutting year. Their criticism highlights the growing agitation central the GOP about the approaching of the party.
Joining me now, Ohio's Republican governor and a accepted Trump critic,John Kasich.
Governor, acceptable aback to "Fox Account Sunday."
GOV. JOHN KASICH, R-OHIO: Acknowledge you. Thanks for accepting me.
WALLACE: I appetite to alpha with some of Jeff Flake's accent on the attic of the Senate this week. Actuality it is.
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JEFF FLAKE, R-ARIZONA SENATOR: We allegation stop assuming that the abasement of our backroom and the conduct of some in our controlling annex are normal. Aback such behavior emanates from the top of our government, it is article else. It is alarming to a democracy.
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WALLACE: Governor, do you accede with the agent that the conduct of the Trump admiral is alarming to our democracy?
KASICH: No, I -- I -- I don't -- that's -- I -- I wouldn't go that far. What I would say is what bodies are balked with in the country is the actuality that it isn't acceptable anybody can get forth with anybody bottomward there.
I focus on the policy, things that I accede with the Trump administering on and those that I disagree upon. And I've never gotten into the, you know, array of analytic people's motives or their competence. I'm actual anxious about -- about policy.
And, Chris, actually what's accident central the affair is there's a agitation about whether the country should attending entering and affectionate of abjure and booty affliction of itself or whether the country affliction to attending outward. And -- and these absorb issues of barter and clearing and our accord with our allies.
And -- and the best absorbing things that's coming, Chris, that you should focus on at some point, now that I'm the ambassador for your show, is that we are seeing the acceleration of millennials and gen-x-ers in the 2018 election. They are now activity to according the babyish boomers. And what does that mean? They anticipate greatly abnormally than what the -- what this alone accumulation of Republicans affliction about, because they affliction about the environment, they don't appetite to focus on all these amusing issues. They accept America's abode in the world. They're adequate with -- with all-around outreach. It's -- immigration, accession one.
So what's activity to appear over time is that the gen-x-ers and the millennials are activity to activate to beat the babyish boomers. And it will -- it will -- it will beggarly a abstruse about-face in the way both the Republican Affair and the Democratic Affair function. And the catechism is, and to some sense, they're up for grabs because adapted now they're aptitude independent. And the catechism is, who appeals to them?
WALLACE: I -- I --
KASICH: I appear to anticipate the apparent admission of our country is -- is the bigger one.
WALLACE: Well, I'm activity to get to specific issues in a moment, but I -- I do appetite to accompany this catechism of the aesthetics of the Republican Affair because Steve Bannon and his supporters say, well, look, sure, Flake and Corker fabricated boxy speeches, but they basically -- the basal band is that they appear that they are quitting, and that there was blackout for best added Republicans. So can't one altercate that what you alarm the inward-looking, the populist, nationalist accession of the Republican Affair is demography over?
KASICH: No, I don't anticipate so. I anticipate the aggregate of the Republican Party, and I've been in the Republican Affair aback I was a academy student, is one that believes in the actuality that America has a abode in the world. You know, Reagan talked about it, advances in humanity. I agree. I anticipate the aggregate of the Republican Affair does accept that clearing provides activity to our country. I anticipate that the aggregate of the Republican Affair believes that America is adapted and has a abode in the apple at which to beforehand abandon and chargeless action and all those things.
I anticipate that this move appear bellicism or attractive inward, a lot of loud voices, but I don't appear to anticipate it's -- it's the bulk. And we -- we will accept to see over time. But for those -- that debate, that debate, to some degree, is activity to be acclimatized by the demographics in the abreast future. Maybe not today, not tomorrow, but anon it's activity to be absitively by that new beachcomber of new cerebration by these adolescent bodies who can accompany a lot of activity to the Republican Affair and the bourgeois movement.
WALLACE: Well, let's allocution about some specific issues because this is activity to be played out at atomic until the abutting acclamation in agreement of ample philosophy. Republicans are activity to bare their tax plan this anniversary and, according to reports, there are activity to be big cuts in accumulated taxes. There's activity to be a affecting hit to the debt. Perhaps as abundant as $2 abundance added civic debt we're activity to be demography on. Is that the adapted way for the affair and the country to go on tax policy?
KASICH: Well, look, Chris, here's the thing, you allegation to accept faster bread-and-butter growth. Our bread-and-butter advance over the aftermost brace decades has been anemic. And that agency bodies can't get work. That agency that we don't accept a -- accept advance and befalling in all the things that bodies want.
I favor a tax bill. Our accumulated taxes are too high. We can't attempt as finer in the apple and some companies aloof hightail it out of America because of that. So I do anticipate we allegation a tax bill.
When it comes to, how do you pay for it? You know, I anticipate in that case, I appear to accept that entitlements accept to be reviewed. And it may be abstracted from the tax bill, but it needs to appear because debt is activity to absorb us up if we're not careful.
In our state, I've been able to cut taxes, but I've -- I've been able to stay, because we accept a counterbalanced account requirement, to be able to pay for them in adjustment -- instead of spending added in government, we gave money aback to people. As a result, in Ohio now, we're up 490,000 clandestine area jobs aback I've appear in. That's up from a accident of 350.
So lower taxes does matter. But adjustment matters. I anticipate that's why the market's accomplishing bigger adapted now is because the Trump administering has been -- has been affective abroad from acrimonious regulations and added accepted faculty regulations and that's helped our abridgement to grow.
WALLACE: On immigration, the admiral says he's accommodating to accomplish a accord to assure the alleged dreamers, bodies brought into this country as -- as children. But, in return, he wants allotment for his bank and he wants tougher, added acrimonious banned on acknowledged immigration. Your reaction?
KASICH: Yes. I -- I don't accede on actually ratcheting bottomward the cardinal of acknowledged immigrants that can appear into this country. Clearing has consistently been array of high-octane ability for our country. It brings bodies in with a lot of activity and a lot of new ideas.
Of beforehand we accept to accept a defended border. Everybody believes that. But to activate ratcheting bottomward the cardinal of bodies who can accurately appear here, I -- I don't abutment that. And in agreement of DACA, these kids who came actuality -- one kid told me the added day he came aback he was seven months old, I think. He's not 27. He's afraid about what's activity to appear to him. That's nonsense. Aloof let the burden off those adolescent people. They're accidental to our country and the DACA affair should -- it should not be -- they should -- it should not be allotment of a negotiation. Let them breach in America. You don't accept to accord them citizenship, but let them breach in this country if they've been law-abiding. They're conserving.
WALLACE: We began with Agent Flake's accent on the Senate and I'd like to end with it. Here's accession clip.
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JEFF FLAKE, R-ARIZONA SENATOR: Aback the abutting bearing asks us, why didn't you do something? Why didn't you allege up? What are we activity to say?
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WALLACE: So, governor, aback the abutting bearing asks --
KASICH: I've announced out -- I've announced out added than anybody! I beggarly but abundance is not personal. Abundance is policy. And I attending at what we've done in Ohio, Chris, and here's what we've done here. We're not a affair that cuts anybody out in Ohio. My administering has included everybody. If the top does well, the bodies at the basal affliction to accept hope. And as a aftereffect of that, I still accept aerial job approval. My aftermost reelection was overwhelming. And I'm a accepter that everybody should be accustomed an opportunity, not aloof those at the top, but additionally those who are disturbing to get ahead.
WALLACE: But -- but, governor, if you feel --
KASICH: And I accept that's the best admission for America.
WALLACE: Governor, if you feel so acerb about the administering of the affair and you don't like the way some bodies on -- in the Trump accession appetite to booty the -- the country, I accept to ask you, I've asked you before, why not consider, at least, alive for admiral in 2020 for the Republican choice adjoin Admiral Trump?
KASICH: Well, because, Chris, this is like 2017. I'm aggravating to be the best governor I can be. And I don't -- I'm not cerebration about what's activity to happen. What's activity to appear with me politically, I accept no idea. There's such about-face in the country adapted now, no one knows what's activity to appear abutting week.
So, look, all I appetite to do is accord to bringing a calm articulation that involves admittance and everybody growing. Area that's activity to booty me, I actually don't know. But I can acquaint you, at this point, I'm not acute or planning annihilation like that, Chris. That's aloof not area my arch is adapted now.
I am activity to be a articulation for the new generation, the abutting generation, and for what has commonly been able in the party. And I'm activity to do my best to advance that. And, you apperceive what? I anticipate it's activity appealing well.
WALLACE: Governor Kasich, acknowledge you. Thanks for advancing in today. Consistently acceptable to allocution with you, sir.
KASICH: Acknowledge you, sir. God bless.
WALLACE: Up next, we'll accompany aback the console to altercate the big reveal. We acquisition out this anniversary what's in the Republican tax plan.
Plus, Admiral Trump's new war on drugs. We'll attending at his affairs to action the growing opioid epidemic.
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PAUL RYAN, R-WIS, SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: We're aggravating to accomplish giving bodies a breach on their taxes, authoritative it easier for bodies to plan and save for the future.
NANCY PELOSI, D-CALI., HOUSE MINORITY LEADER: You know, rip-off, a shakedown, a annexation of the average class.
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WALLACE: House Apostle Paul Ryan and Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi already angry about who will account from the GOP tax plan afore we alike acquisition out what's in it.
And we're aback now with the panel.
Well, Michael, Republicans on the House Ways and Agency Committee will bare their plan on Wednesday. They've been actual backstairs about it. But we accept heard some elements of it. And we've additionally heard this amazing calendar they're laying out. They appetite to canyon it through the House and through the Senate, maybe altered versions, by Thanksgiving. What do you accomplish of all that?
MICHAEL NEEDHAM, CEO, HERITAGE ACTION FOR AMERICA: Well, I anticipate as quick as accessible is good. I mean, look, I don't anticipate this has been a abstruse process. We had affectionate of an outline appear out. We've had abundant added detail go on. We all apperceive the basal ample acclamation of it. I anticipate Administrator Brady, the administrator of the Ways and Agency Committee, has done an absurd job putting this together.
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WALLACE: You like what you apprehend about the plan?
NEEDHAM: I do. I anticipate it's a acceptable plan that's put forward, that unleashes the types of growth. Here's what's activity to now happen. Every distinct base force of the cachet quo in Washington, D.C., the Civic Realtor Association, the Home Builders, the assembly of high-tax accompaniment are activity to all appear in and try to aces afar this plan and assure their little carve out. And so I anticipate drive and acceleration is article that abominably you allegation at this date to get this plan, which has been talked about in the types of ample acclamation that the all-inclusive majority of Americans allegation to apperceive and what to apperceive afore all of the -- the Civic Realtors Association is aloof authoritative actually affectionate of the arguments about themselves and what's acceptable for themselves. This is a tax cut that will be acceptable for bodies who don't itemize, for bodies who do itemize. This is a abundant plan for the country and we allegation to get it done afore the armament of the cachet quo and the adapted interests breach it apart.
WALLACE: Mo, from what we know, is it a abundant plan? And the economy, we aloof begin out, grew by 3 percent for the additional division in a row. Won't -- if they get the tax plan and its connected growth, won't Republicans in 2018 be able to go to the -- to the country with a able economy?
MO ELLEITHEE, GEORGETOWN INSTITUTE OF POLITICS AND PUBLIC SERVICE: They're cyberbanking on it. They're cyberbanking on actuality able to go with this because so far they don't accept a actual acceptable clue almanac of accepting annihilation done. And so they apperceive that if they don't get this done, they're in actual austere agitation with voters.
Now, whether or not it's a acceptable plan, we're activity to accept to see how it plays out. So far the things I hear, it doesn't complete actual good. And, you know, Mike -- I'll -- aloof to bung aback out the affectation allegation you through earlier, the actuality that Republicans are now OK with a adapt that is activity to draft a $2.4 abundance aperture in the deficit, aback bodies who were actually --
NEEDHAM: I did not say -- that's not -- I beggarly if you're activity to allege me of hypocrisy, we accept a spending botheration in this country. The tax cipher should accompany in the bulk of acquirement all-important to armamentarium the constitutionally adapted genitalia of government --
WALLACE: But -- but in fairness, the Republican -- Republicans haven't alleged for those $2 abundance in spending cuts.
NEEDHAM: Oh, sure, but I -- Republicans are actually abject aback it comes to spending cuts. Nobody would abjure that. But that's not affectation on the allotment of anybody on this panel. We should accept a tax cipher that makes faculty and that still makes faculty (ph).
ELLEITHEE: I'm aloof adage the Republican Party, which has been angry to -- to rein in the deficit, seems to be OK now, right? I'm not adage anyone on this console --
NEEDHAM: The affair should be angry to rein in spending.
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WALLACE: I abhorrence to interrupt, but I do appetite to allocution about one added subject, because it's too important not to, and that is accession big development this week, and that was that the admiral declared a accessible bloom emergency on -- in agreement of the opioid crisis, but he didn't acknowledge a civic emergency, which would accept accustomed admission to added funds. And that resulted in two actual altered responses.
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TRUMP: It is time to bear our communities from the affliction of biologic addiction. Never been this way. We can be the bearing that ends the opioid epidemic.
PELOSI: What I would say to the admiral on that is, appearance me the money.
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WALLACE: Ari, why didn't -- you don't know, but, I mean, your speculation, why didn't the president, as allotment of this announcement, say, and I'm activity to ask Congress for x bulk of money? And in declining to do so, did he footfall on his own announcement?
ARI FLEISCHER, FORMER WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: Yes. I was afraid he didn't booty that step. It seems to be a altogether accustomed and adapted footfall of the admiral aback he says, this is a civic -- this is a bloom emergency, so we allegation added money to action it in accession to flexibility. I was afraid because Republicans on Capitol Hill and Democrats as able-bodied will abutment added allotment to action opioids. So it should accept been included as a statement.
Now, it still is up to Congress. He couldn't accept delivered it unilaterally. But I was afraid rhetorically, communications wise, he didn't alarm for it.
WALLACE: Congresswoman Harman, your thoughts about what the admiral did and didn't say in his advertisement on the opioids.
JANE HARMAN, FORMER U.S. CONGRESSWOMAN (D-CA): He did the adapted thing. He should accept adjourned it. But there accept been a lot of absent opportunities here. And aback we allocution about tax reform, Penny-Kasich, which I was allotment of in 1993, would accept been a abundant way to cut the deficit, which is crucial. And afresh Bowles-Simpson, which was originated in the Obama administration, should accept been bedeviled by Admiral Obama and Apostle Ryan and would accept put on the table the framework that would accomplish the best sense, which is reforming entitlements, reforming taxes and acid spending. And if we can't get there and we're aloof activity to do this biased tax bill, I don't anticipate that that's activity to activate the bread-and-butter advance our country needs.
FLEISCHER: Well, aback we're aback to taxes, the key affair on taxes is to accomplish the abridgement bang again.
HARMAN: Right.
FLEISCHER: If that can happen, that's the best way to get allowance burden --
HARMAN: That's what I aloof said.
FLEISCHER: Burden go up for low assets bodies so they become average assets people. Average assets bodies become high average assets people. That's why this tax bill is the affection and body of Republicanism. If they cannot bear it, if they cannot acquisition accord as a conclave because of the alone accoutrement cull them apart, what's the purpose of accepting Republicans in Washington? And this is what it comes bottomward to.
WALLACE: And, conversely, if they do canyon it?
FLEISCHER: If they do, the sky is the limit. This is what Republicans allegation because if the abridgement grows and accomplishment go up for the average class, Republicans are in abundant shape. They delivered aggregate they promised and (INAUDIBLE) bodies that they need. And that's what Americans are attractive for. Stop the arguments of the (INAUDIBLE) --
HARMAN: (INAUDIBLE) the country.
WALLACE: All right, you apperceive -- you apperceive what, we will allocution about this in the commercial.
Thank you, panel. See you abutting Sunday.
Up next, our "Power Players of the Week." How a able new Hollywood blur shows the absolute struggles of soldiers abiding home from Iraq and Afghanistan.
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WALLACE: It was a archetypal advancing home cine afterwards the Additional Apple War alleged "The Best Years of Our Lives" that won the Oscar for best picture. We haven't had that affectionate of films that tells the adventure of soldiers advancing home from Iraq and Afghanistan and the challenges they face. At atomic we haven't until now. Actuality are our "Power Players of the Week."
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MILES TELLER, ACTOR: You get scrutinized if you blend up a aggressive blur and those guys breach you up.
WALLACE (voice-over): Miles Teller is the brilliant of the new cine "Thank You for Your Service." The arresting adventure of a accumulation of soldiers who appear home from Iraq.
Jason Hall, who wrote "American Sniper," wrote and directed this film.
JASON HALL, "THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE": They footfall off the battlefield, they footfall off the plane, they appear home and the memories and the agony of war abide to echo through them and into their lives here.
WALLACE: Their belief alpha small.
HALL: One day you're on the battlefield, and the abutting day, like in the movie, you're affable pancakes for your daughter.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How connected you been up?
TELLER: It's already 4:00 p.m. in Baghdad.
Got one amber dent smiley face pancake for you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She doesn't like chocolate.
TELLER: OK. I assumption I absent that.
HALL: They get flung adapted aback into this activity of actuality a ancestor and afresh actuality provider.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what about you?
TELLER: Don't anguish about me.
HALL: And aback things are a little bit conflicting and a little bit off. And sometimes it can bandy them -- bandy them sideways
WALLACE: Estimates are one in bristles of the soldiers deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan suffers from some anatomy of post-traumatic stress. The cine shows how abounding of them go to the VA attractive for help.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And we're backed up. It could be six to nine months.
TELLER: Aare you kidding? You anticipate these guys can delay that long?
HALL: I anticipate there's a actually acceptable bodies accomplish in a actual big, affectionate of burst bureaucracy. They're your podiatrists, they're your agony experts and your academician surgeon. And so they're -- they're aggravating to do aggregate for all people. And -- and that's challenging.
WALLACE: The cine is based on the adventure of Sergeant Adam Schumann, who served in Iraq.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I rode shotgun in a advance Humvee and I looked for bombs.
Stop the truck.
You don't see the bomb unless they appetite you to.
WALLACE (on camera): This country is acceptable at angry wars. How are we at bringing the soldiers aback home?
TELLER: They've consistently noticed the amount of war and the sacrifices these guys make, and we apperceive that biologically their brains, aggregate is different. They're a altered actuality aback they appear back.
WALLACE: The name of your cine is "Thank You For Your Service," which we all say aback we see a soldier and it makes us feel better.
HALL: Sure.
WALLACE: The faculty I get is you anticipate that's affectionate of empty.
HALL: I say acknowledge you for your account and it makes me feel better. But what I'm not accomplishing is I'm not -- I'm not alms to accept that soldier, you know, acquaint me about his account and unload some of that on me.
WALLACE (voice-over): And that's the bulletin of this movie, to affix the frontline to the home advanced and alpha a conversation.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You never told me you were a hero. Don't additional me the details, I can booty annihilation (INAUDIBLE).
WALLACE (on camera): So how do these guys heal? How does this happen?
HALL: What I achievement this cine does is I achievement bodies see it and they accept a little bit added about what the veterans accept been through so they can action them an accessible door.
TELLER: There's annihilation accessible about it. But these guys are soldiers and they accumulate angry to, you know, to get better, to, you know, be a acceptable father, be a acceptable husband.
HALL: I achievement that it brings that -- that -- closes a amplitude amid the civilians and the aggressive and -- and what our compassionate of what they've done and -- and that account that they've given.
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WALLACE: "Thank You For Your Service" opened in theaters civic this weekend. It is a tough, able movie.
Now this affairs note. Be abiding to tune in to Fox Account Channel this morning, that's tomorrow, for our new primetime lineup, starting with Martha MacCallum at 7:00 Eastern, followed by Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity. Afresh the debuts of "The Ingraham Angle" with Laura Ingraham at 10:00 and "Fox Account at Night" with Shannon Bream at 11:00. You won't appetite to absence it.
And that's it for today. Accept a abundant week. And we'll see you abutting "Fox Account Sunday."
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