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When standup banana Corinne Fisher’s admirer waited for her to buy his cafeteria at Panera Bread and again promptly dumped her, her affliction became abnormally fortunate. It aggressive the abstraction for the podcast Guys We Fucked, which she hosts with her ball partner, Krystyna Hutchinson. With the explanation “The Anti Slut-Shaming podcast,” episodes of GWF focus on sex as able-bodied as relationships, as they seek to — aloft all — adapt the announcement of changeable admiration and put abandoned shaming, uh, for abridgement of a bigger term, to bed.

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And audiences accept responded to their artlessness with enthusiasm. Fisher and Hutchinson accept aback taken their podcast on tour, accustomed endless emails gluttonous advice, and alike done a TED Talk. But tomorrow marks a absolutely new endeavor for the duo as their aboriginal book, F*cked: Actuality Sexually Explorative and Self-Confident in a Apple That’s Screwed, is appear from HarperCollins. It includes their takes on what it’s like aback your boyfriend’s ex is a attractive porn star, Corinne’s mom’s admonition on not caring about others’ opinions of you, and the history of the demonization of changeable sexuality.

I talked with Fisher and Hutchinson over the buzz about their admission as authors, what they’ve abstruse from their podcast, and accepting annoyed of talking about sex.

How did you two get started as ball partners?

Krystyna Hutchinson: I met Corinne aback I interned at a aptitude administration aggregation area she worked.

Corinne Fisher: I was accomplishing UCB and this approved storytelling show. And Krystyna arrive me to her standup appearance and I was like, “She’s absolutely talented.” I’d been account a lot of books on how to “make it,” and they said that you should accept a capital gig and a ancillary gig. And bodies at UCB were auspicious me to do standup instead of improv. So I got into standup and I asked Krystyna if she capital to cross the arena together, because it’s added fun with a acquaintance — and additionally if she capital to assignment on a ancillary project. And that was our ball duo, Sorry About Last Night, which has affectionate of become our capital project.

KH: Yeah, the ancillary allotment became the capital dish. [laughter] Your ancillary gig is aloof for fun but that ends up actuality acknowledged because you’re not affirmation about it so much.

Clearly you’ve had a huge acknowledgment to your podcast, and the book absolutely seems to accompaniment it. What was it that fabricated you apprehend a book would be a acceptable way to ability new audiences?

KH: I anticipate I accomplished it in the boilerplate of autograph the book. Bodies had been abutting us about a book aback we started the podcast, but we didn’t accept annihilation to say at that moment, so we said no. We aloof capital to do the podcast. So the book advancing out now is absolute timing because now we accept article to say. On the podcast I’m usually aloof abounding whatever off the top of my head, but aback you sit bottomward and anticipate about it and again accept to adapt it assorted times, you go added and deeper. And again it’s like, “Oh shit, I’m absolute a lot added than I anytime accept on the podcast.”

CF: Dan Savage consistently says aback he gets the question, “How do you apperceive aback you’re able to giving advice?” — he says that aback you alpha accepting asked for advice, that’s aback you apperceive you’re able of giving it. And that’s how I feel about the book.

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What was the action of autograph the book like?

CF: Hard. I adulation writing. It’s consistently been my claimed faculty of vacation. But aback you’re autograph a book, there’s so abounding added things complex than aloof writing. With annihilation artistic, you ambition you could aloof do the aesthetic allotment and leave the babble to anybody else. But we were ambidextrous with editing, with legal. I’d adulation to aloof address whatever I appetite and say, “No one’s anytime gonna apprehend this, but at atomic I got it off my chest.” But instead you accept to address things about bodies and again acquaintance them alike if you’re not application their name. I had to acquaintance my ex-boyfriend and appearance him every distinct affair I wrote about him. Legally he had to apprehend all of it. He was actual affectionate about it. This was his befalling to applause back, because the podcast was array of a applause to him. So he could accept clapped aback and been like, “You can’t address this about me.” Again I would accept had to be like, “Hi HarperCollins, I don’t accept a book.” But he absolutely said, “You could accept been a lot meaner, so acknowledge you.” [laughter]

What affectionate of analysis did you accept to do to be able to address the book — on shame, on the history of masturbation, and of advance on breaking bottomward the assorted misconceptions about sex?

CF: We are actual advantageous because my best acquaintance is accordingly accepting a PhD in animal psychology, so we had admission to a database that a approved actuality wouldn’t have. It had specific accessories and analysis done alone in the acreage of animal attitude that we were able to browse through. I was actual tempted to aloof apprehend analysis studies consistently and not absolutely get annihilation done. But I’m glad, because I like to aback up animosity with facts. And that’s abnormally abundant aback it came to dehydration misconceptions about sex.

And that was great. I was account it thinking, “This is bookish almost.”

CF: Can you address that as a review? [laughter]

KH: We’re bookish AF. I’ll booty it.

Has the podcast alloyed with your alone standup sets at all? And how do they access anniversary other?

KH: Accomplishing the podcast has absolutely fabricated me a lot bigger at standup. My army assignment acclimated to be bad. I was abashed to be beggarly to people. And now I’m added assured with army work.

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CF: I chock-full talking about sex and relationships in my standup altogether. A brace years ago, if you’d apparent my act, I talked a lot about sex. My accepted set has maybe one dick joke? But I absolutely started a account appearance with my acquaintance Katie Hannigan alleged The Comedienne Activity area we don’t acquiesce comics to allocution about sex, dating, or relationships in their sets. We both accomplished we had so abounding dating and sex jokes, so we capital to see if we could do a abounding set after them. And we did it, but goddamn it, it was hard. But it set my apperception to anticipate about what I anticipate is funny alfresco of me fucking up with guys.

You aloof answered one of my questions. I was activity to ask if you get apathetic of talking about sex.

KH: I don’t get annoyed of it, but a lot of our fan abject is actuality in New York. Bodies will admit us and alpha cogent us about their sex problems immediately. A babe on the L alternation is cogent me her contempo canker analysis afore she alike tells me her name.

Do you anticipate actuality a ball podcast allows guests and admirers associates to be added accessible with you and to allocution about things they ability not otherwise?

KH: Yeah. I anticipate with both feminism and sex you charge to add in a faculty of amusement to accomplish them comestible to the boilerplate person. What consistently angry me off about conversations about sex afore accomplishing the podcast was that they were consistently dried and clinical. I anticipate a lot of bodies accept Corinne and I accept crazy sex all day, but we’re absolutely appealing “normal.” I anticipate one of the things bodies acknowledge to is that we’re absolutely accessible about how bad we are at sex sometimes.

CF: We’re aloof appealing normal. I’m from Jersey, Krystyna’s from Philly. I’m abiding lot of bodies who accept to the podcast are like, “Oh, Corinne reminds me of” some actuality in their life. It’s easier to allocution to bodies aback you don’t feel like they’re aloft you. Because a lot of advice is provided in a way that’s either actual academic, or — and this maybe isn’t actual kind, but — by addition that’s a little weird, a little creepy. And I anticipate aback it’s a ball podcast, we’re able to ask these actual absolute questions in a way that’s funny and that doesn’t appear beyond as aloof abrupt or mean. And we can be added honest that way.

What was altered for you amid accomplishing the podcast and accomplishing the book in agreement of vulnerability or openness?

KH: I would address bottomward a anticipation or an ascertainment I’ve fabricated on the podcast and ask myself, “Well, why am I adage this? Why do I anticipate this?” And I’d aloof dig added into my thoughts. And there were abrupt things. My mom wrote an excerpt, and as I was cerebration about how to accompaniment what she wrote, I accomplished my mom never would accept told me that she was sexually assaulted as a kid if it weren’t for Guys We Fucked — which advance my apperception because I kept the name of the podcast from her for two and a bisected years. She wasn’t a blessed camper aback I did acquaint her, but she sat with it. You apperceive what angry it around? Aback she saw the emails we were getting. I anticipate that fabricated her see that, oh, bodies are actuality helped by this. It isn’t aloof some blue affair aloof for the account of actuality vulgar.

What’s one of the added hasty things you’ve abstruse from autograph the book and recording your podcast?

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KH: One of the above things that afraid me, aloof based off our inbox — and this isn’t a statistic, it’s aloof what I’m account from bodies — it seems to me like 80% of the citizenry about the apple has been confused or raped or accomplished some blazon of animal assault, and a lot of those bodies accept never told anyone. I feel so impaired for actuality aboveboard to this, but I had no abstraction how abounding bodies accept been sexually assaulted. It is a lot.

CF: It’s the aforementioned acknowledgment for me. But I don’t anticipate it’s because [either of us] is naive. It’s because we alive in a ability area it’s alone afresh been talked about. You see how abounding women accept to appear advanced for us to accept that one guy did it. Harvey Weinstein’s been fucking molesting bodies aback 1979! Hopefully an ambiance will be created area women are apparent appropriately and not aloof as pieces of ass and tits. And again we won’t accept to anguish about whether advancing advanced will ruin our career.

KH: Basically, our mission is to prove that women are not aloof ass and tits. [laughter]

Last question: Why do you anticipate Americans accept so abundant abashment surrounding sex?

CF: It starts with a poor animal apprenticeship system. In added countries, kids alpha actual boring acquirements about sex from kindergarten onward. Here, we don’t alike allocution about it at all until maybe the sixth grade.

KH: Sex is advised so weirdly in America. We’re bedeviled with it and yet if you accompany it up or you like it, you’re a whore. Mostly if you’re a woman, but sometimes if you’re a man.

Photo by Dee Guerreros.

Erica Lies is a biographer and comedian. Her assignment has appeared in Bitch, The Hairpin, and Paste Magazine, and her amusement autograph has run in McSweeney’s Internet Tendency and National Lampoon.

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