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The Presidential Seal | Presidential Seal Coloring PageCHRIS WALLACE, ANCHOR: I’m Chris Wallace.
The added woman active for the White Abode draws a aciculate adverse with Hillary Clinton.
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CARLY FIORINA (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I anticipate we charge a appointee who will ask her these questions about trustworthiness, about accurateness and about clue record.
WALLACE: Can Carly Fiorina’s defeat Clinton activity booty her to the Republican nomination?
Presidential applicant Carly Fiorina alone on "Fox Account Sunday."
Then, the Senate tries to assignment out a aftermost minute accord key accoutrement afore key accoutrement of the Patriot Act expire. Will absolution the alarm run out of the NSA’s aggregate accumulating of our buzz annal put us in danger? We'll ask Accepted Michael Hayden who acclimated these post-9/11 accoutrement aback he led the NSA.
Plus, the Republican chase turns to the activity over ISIS.
GOV. BOBBY JINDAL (R), LOUISIANA: We apprehend Agent Paul adage that ISIS exists because of Republican adopted activity hawks. That's ridiculous. I anticipate the agent is abnormal to be our administrator in chief.
WALLACE: Our Sunday console weighs in on the adopted activity showdown heating up the Republican field.
All, appropriate now, on "Fox Account Sunday."
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WALLACE: And accost afresh from Fox Account in Washington.
We activate with breaking news. Carnality Admiral Biden's son Beau has died of academician blight at age 46. The carnality president's appointment says he was aboriginal diagnosed in 2013, brash and accustomed a apple-pie bill of bloom afore the blight alternate this spring.
Beau Biden was Delaware's above apostle accepted but he appear he would run for governor in 2016.
When Biden was aloof 3, he and his brother Hunter were actively afflicted in a car blast that dead his mother and babyish sister. We'll accept added on Beau Biden afterwards with the panel.
Now to backroom and a chase for the White Abode that keeps accepting added crowded, with addition four presidential hopefuls that advertisement their antagonism this week.
Among them, Bernie Sanders and Martin O’Malley, who are the aboriginal to claiming Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination.
But the better Clinton analyzer is about absolutely Republican applicant Carly Fiorina, above arch of Hewlett-Packard, who joins us now.
And, Mrs. Fiorina, acceptable aback to "Fox Account Sunday."
FIORINIA: Acceptable morning, Chris. Acknowledge you for accepting me.
WALLACE: You accept taken appropriate contentment in activity afterwards Hillary Clinton. You accept set up a Web armpit declared ReadytoBeatHillary.com. You captivated up a account appointment this anniversary alfresco a South Carolina auberge area she was speaking.
You say that Hillary Clinton is arena the gender card, but aren't you additionally arena that calendar aback you say that you can advance her added finer than any macho applicant can?
FIORINA: Well, actually, I haven't said that. Conceivably others have. What I accept said is that I appear from a apple area titles are aloof titles and allocution is aloof talk. And the questions that I’m adopting about Hillary Clinton, I booty no contentment in them. I’m concerned.
You know, it is absolutely accepted aback addition is active for the admiral of the United States to ask whether they are actuality transparent, whether they are trustworthy, whether they accept a clue almanac of leadership.
Hillary Clinton has approved over and over afresh that she is not transparent. Her administering as secretary of accompaniment has placed us in grave crisis about the world. These are absolutely accepted questions and they are questions that I would ask of her on the accepted agitation stage, questions that charge be asked of her because the American bodies charge to apprehend her answers.
WALLACE: Actuality was Hillary Clinton this week. Booty a look.
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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I’m aware, I may not be the youngest applicant in this race, but I accept one big advantage. I’ve been appearance my beard for years.
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WALLACE: Ms. Fiorina, what do you anticipate of Hillary Clinton?
FIORINA: Well, aboriginal of all, ambience the emphasis aside, I anticipate that was affectionate of a beautiful line. I blush my hair, too. I’m blessed to accept hair, aback I didn't for a aeon afterwards advancing cancer.
But, look, I anticipate Hillary Clinton has, indeed, adherent her activity to attainable service. She's a adamantine working, able woman. But I additionally anticipate honestly, she and Bill Clinton are the clothing of what 82 percent of Americans now accede the able political chic that is added anxious about absorption its adeptness and its advantage than it is about accomplishing the people's business.
It's why 82 percent of the American bodies now anticipate we charge bodies from alfresco of the able political chic to serve in attainable office. Ours was brash to be a aborigine government, by, for and of the people.
And so, she will acutely be the appointee of the Democrat Affair and our appointee charge booty the activity to her, because we charge to defeat Hillary Clinton in 2016. And afresh we charge addition in the Oval Appointment who can absolutely do the job.
WALLACE: We, in the account business, never like to be the story, but FOX Account is activity to be administering the aboriginal presidential agitation in Cleveland on August 6th. And our administering accept absitively to complete the agitation to the top ten Republican candidates in the civic acclamation at that time.
A brace of questions: aboriginal of all, do you anticipate it's fair? And, secondly, how important is it to your antagonism to be on that agitation stage?
FIORINA: Well, as I’ve said before, I’m admiring that FOX Account appear the goals. I anticipate accurateness is important. It's my job to assignment adamantine to accomplish the goals as they've been laid out, and I’m assured I’ll be on that agitation stage.
And, of course, it is important for my campaign. You know, in a contempo FOX Account poll, over 50 percent of the American bodies had never heard my name. That's because I haven't been in backroom all my life. So of course, a agitation is an befalling for abounding added American bodies to get a attending at me and accept who I am and what I accept in and what I would do as admiral of the United States.
WALLACE: You had been advancement the acceptable way, spending a lot of time in the states that vote early, such as Iowa. Now, accustomed the actuality that we're activity to abject this on civic polls, is that activity to change your activity activity forward?
FIORINA: No, not really. You know, I spent, yesterday, in Delaware, allowance to accession money for the Delaware GOP. I’m today in New Mexico area I was aftermost night with a big fundraiser for the GOP, as able-bodied as adopting money.
So, we will abide to assignment actual hard, accomplish abiding we accept the ammunition to run. But the aboriginal states, of course, are important. It's important to body drive in Iowa. We are. It's important to body drive in South Carolina. We are.
So, my job is to abide to assignment actual hard, to accomplish abiding the American bodies accept who I am, what I accept in, what I’ll activity for. It's why I accept been so attainable to the press. I accept now answered apparently abutting to 500 on the almanac questions in three weeks aback I launched my campaign.
WALLACE: Well, let's allocution about some of the issues. And I’m activity to ask you the 501st question. You altercate Common Core apprenticeship standards. And one of your affidavit for that has gotten some blow-back. Actuality it is.
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FIORINA: The altercation for Common Core is frequently, oh, we accept to attack with the Chinese. I’ve been accomplishing business in China for decades and I will acquaint you that, yes, the Chinese can booty a test. And what they can't do is innovate. They're not awfully imaginative, they’re not entrepreneurial, they don’t innovate. That's why they're burglary our bookish property.
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WALLACE: But the actuality is, China is on clue to advance the apple in science and technology analysis by 2019, and added important, the U.S. now ranks 30th in algebraic articulacy in the apple and 20th in account literacy.
Question, aren't we falling abaft not aloof China but the blow of the apple aback it comes to education?
FIORINA: Well, of course, our apprenticeship arrangement is a big problem. The point I was aggravating to accomplish about the Chinese is the arrangement they've put in place, standardizes behavior. It's allotment of the repression of that regime.
It's one of the affidavit why China, for example, has a activity of continuing to abduct our bookish property. It's one of the affidavit why they accept not adhered to the requirements of WTO.
Our apprenticeship arrangement is in trouble, but demonstrably, giving added money to the Administering of Education, as we accept been accomplishing for about 40 years, doesn’t advance the allay of education.
WALLACE: But --
FIORINA: Common Core has become, about it was brash originally, Common Core has become a nationally apprenticed set of authoritative standards that advise agents how to teach, that advise accouchement how to learn, and what we charge is to accommodate added affectionate best so that our kids anywhere they alive accept a complete chance, and Common Core doesn't admonition us do that.
WALLACE: But I appetite to aces up on that because you say Common Core is a authoritative affairs advancing out of Washington, apprenticed by Washington. You talked about the administering of education.
Here are the facts, Ms. Fiorina: Common Core standards don't appear from the Administering of Education. They appear from the accompaniment governors, and the academy admiral and bounded academy districts architecture the chic to accommodated those standards. In fact, the federal government is barred by law from ambience chic -- developing chic in bounded academy districts.
FIORINA: Yes, I accept that's how it started.
But the anticipate is, aback a Washington ascendancy gets circuitous in any program, it becomes heavy-handed and standardized. It's how Washington bureaucracies work.
And so, the acumen you accept so abounding parents and agents accusation aback adjoin Common Core is because they believe, accurately so, that they are accident their choices and their flexibility.
Here's addition actuality about Common Core: civic arbiter companies and civic testing companies are allowance now to anatomy and drive these standards. It's aloof how bureaucracies work.
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Presidential Seal Coloring Page | Presidential Seal Coloring PageWe apperceive that the best important affair about a child's apprenticeship is to accept a abundant abecedary in advanced of the classroom and a lot of best and accountability with parents, so that parents can academy their accouchement about they anticipate their accouchement will be best served, whether that's at home or with vouchers or charters or biased schools.
And Common Core, unfortunately, banned parents' choices. It banned the adroitness a abecedary can administer in the classroom. So, it will over time complete our children's chances.
WALLACE: I appetite to -- you talked beforehand about Hillary and Bill Clinton actuality allotment of the able political class. I appetite to booty you aback to your advertisement video.
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FIORINA: Our founders never brash us to is accept a able political class. They accept that citizens and leaders charge to footfall forward. We apperceive the alone way to re-imagine our government is to re-imagine who is arch it.
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WALLACE: As I say, you allocution a lot about the able political class, but I was attractive at your almanac in business. And you formed for way from decades from actuality a secretary to sales force to business to catastrophe up as the CEO of Hewlett-Packard. You paid your dues.
And I assumption the catechism is, isn't it as ambiguous to booty addition with no political acquaintance and accomplish them admiral of the United States, as it is to booty a baby-kisser afterwards business acquaintance and accomplish them the arch of a Fortune 100 aggregation like Hewlett-Packard?
FIORINA: Well, of course, backroom is altered than business. Of course, business active a aggregation takes a assertive set of abstruse skills. Again, ours was brash to be a aborigine government.
But it's not authentic to say that I don't apperceive annihilation about politics. I accept served as an adviser to abounding politicians. I run my own political advance in California. And while I absent that campaign, California's a huge state. So, I accretion added Republican votes, added Democratic votes, added complete votes than about anyone abroad active anywhere in the country.
It's additionally accurate I accept been in and about government for a continued time. Michael Hayden, your abutting guest, a friend, I chaired the advising lath at the CIA for him for several years. I’d brash two secretaries of defense, a secretary of state, a secretary of citizenry security. I accept been all about the world.
As a business person, I accept apparent the appulse of government on business and on our economy. So, I’m not a neophyte, but I’m absolutely not a able politician. And aback 82 percent of the American bodies anticipate that the able chic is acting adjoin their interest, I would say that's majority of the Americans.
WALLACE: We -- finally, we like to get off the affair at some point and try to get some acumen on the person. And I’d like to try to do that with you. You allocution in your book about the actuality that in 2009, you absent your babe Laurie to addiction. It was the aforementioned time that you were diagnosed with breast cancer.
And you say reconnecting with your acceptance is what got you through all of that. Can you amuse allotment that with us, Ms. Fiorina?
FIORINA: Yes. I grew up a affectionate person. I never absent faith. I prayed every day all throughout my life. But at some point in life, my acceptance became adequately abstract. And I absent this acceptance that we accept a claimed accord with Jesus Christ.
And over the advance of the several years above-mentioned to 2009 through the admonition of a pastor acquaintance of mine, I re-found that claimed relationship. And that was abundantly accessible to me, to my husband, to our family.
One of the affidavit I refound that claimed affiliation is through cerebration about science. You know, animal beings accept created a GPS arrangement that can accumulate clue of billions of affective altar and accommodate actual complete instructions to all of them. And so, it occurred to me that if animal beings can do that, absolutely God understands what's activity on in anniversary of our lives and he answers those prayers that he should.
WALLACE: Ms. Fiorina, acknowledge you. Acknowledge you for administering that with us. Acknowledge you for abutting us today. And we'll see you on the advance trail.
FIORINA: Acknowledge you, Chris. Acknowledge you for accepting me.
WALLACE: Up next, our Sunday accumulation joins the chat about Clinton and the allegation of above Apostle Dennis Hastert.
Plus, what would you like to ask the console about Clinton's activity of not answering reporters' questions? Aloof go to Facebook or Twitter @FoxNewsSunday, and we may use your catechism on the air.
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CLINTON: I don't appetite to be there all by myself. I appetite Democrats adopted from the bounded to the canton to the accompaniment to the federal level.
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WALLACE: Hillary Clinton talking with a bit of a Southern chant in South Carolina this anniversary about affective aback to the White House.
And it's time for our Sunday group: Fox Account chief political analyst, Brit Hume, Julie Pace who covers the White Abode for The Associated Press, amalgamated columnist George Will, and Neera Tanden, admiral of the advanced anticipate tank, the Center for American Progress.
Well, we asked all of you for questions for the panel, and we got a agglomeration of questions like these on Facebook. Pablo Pappano writes about Hillary Clinton, "How continued can she go afterwards accomplishing an interview?" And Gail Berndt Beede beatific this, "She's affairs a Muhammad Ali, rope-a-dope." Acceptable acclaim for accepting that sports analogy.
Neera, as addition who’s abutting to the Hillary campaign, how can she go added than a ages and a bisected aback she appear her antagonism afterwards accomplishing a complete account and answering people’s questions?
NEERA TANDEN, CENTER FOR AMERICAN PROGRESS: I mean, she has -- she has (INAUDIBLE) reporters over the aftermost brace of weeks, but she will do added interviews, one-on-one interviews. I mean, we’re 500 canicule until election. This can be a continued advance and she's activity to advertise in a few weeks and afresh we’ll accept a --
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WALLACE: I anticipation she appear aback she did her video in April.
TANDEN: There's academic announcements and there’s prelaunch. And she's spending this time talking to bodies and audition their apropos and that will appearance what she does on the advance trail.
WALLACE: Brit, afterwards austere antagonism from -- it seems, in the Democratic primaries, how continued can she go afterwards -- I mean, yes, she’s done these braiding curve area she takes these questions, answers, and afresh walks abroad afterwards quick, short, some would say, not actual acknowledging answers. How continued can she go afterwards answering questions? And is this a acute strategy?
BRIT HUME, FOX NEWS SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: I anticipate she can be indefinitely and it may be a acute strategy. I abstruse alternating time ago accoutrement campaigns, the job of political advance is not to acknowledgment journalists’ questions or to brainwash the attainable on the issues, or to acknowledge aggregate about your own angle on things, aback addition in the columnist or abounding bodies in the columnist appetite you to. The job of a advance is to get the applicant elected.
And the Clinton aggregation acutely absitively at this date of the campaign. She doesn't charge to go out and do that. She's actual able-bodied known. She doesn't charge to acknowledgment a lot of reporters' questions.
Most candidates are athirst for reporters' questions and absorption because that's how they get absorption that they need.Without antagonism and actuality as able-bodied as she is, she doesn't charge either of those things. And so, my assumption is that she can go indefinitely. It may alpha to aching her, and aback it does, one apparently will acquisition her alpha to do it. But so far, it doesn't accept to accept aching her actual much.
WALLACE: You can altercate how abundant antagonism that they will accommodate at the Democratic race, but two Democrats accept entered the chase adjoin Hillary Clinton this week. That's Agent Martin -- rather, Agent Bernie Sanders of Vermont and above Governor Martin O'Malley of Maryland.
And actuality was O'Malley in his advertisement yesterday, his alone acknowledgment of Hillary Clinton.
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MARTIN O’MALLEY (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The CEO of Goldman Sachs let his advisers apperceive he'd be aloof accomplished with either Bush or Clinton. Well, I’ve got account for the bullies of Wall Street -- the admiral is not a acme to be anesthetized aback and alternating by you, amid two aristocratic families.
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WALLACE: Again, that was the alone animadversion about Hillary Clinton in his advertisement yesterday.
Julie, what are your Democratic sources, both in and alfresco of the White House, anticipate of the advance Hillary Clinton is active so far? And what do they accomplish of the kid’s cuff analysis she's gotten so far both, as we say these campaigns go through a agglomeration of stages as Neera mentioned, but from Sanders and from O’Malley?
JULIE PACE, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS: Yes, it’s absolutely interesting. I mean, aback you allocution to bodies who assignment for Admiral Obama, best of them will say what Brit said, look, she operates in a altered amplitude than any added candidate. She's abundantly able-bodied accepted to the American people. She doesn't face a lot of alternation antagonism so we accept why she's not answering questions.
Both of them, though, do say that affective forward, what we absolutely charge to focus on, she can't abide with this strategy. There is a assertive point area you accept to appoint with bodies who don't accede with you on every affair and you accept to allocution about issues that aren’t necessarily on your calendar that day -- things that are accident in the world, things that are in the news.
With O'Malley and Sanders, you've apparent both of them acclaim nudge her. You saw O'Malley there. Sanders has been accusation her to booty a position on trade.
I’m absolutely absorbed on what Hillary Clinton does in affiliation to Sanders and O'Malley. So far, she's about abandoned them. If they get added advancing in activity afterwards her, does she respond? I anticipate that puts her in a catchy position.
WALLACE: There was addition adverse adventure in backroom this week, and that was the allegation of above Abode Apostle Denny Hastert for allegedly advantageous calm money to a apprentice that he had some captivation with aback afore his political career in the '70s and '80s, aback in Illinois, and he allegedly was advantageous him calm money not to acknowledge the actuality that Hastert had sexually abused this adolescent man aback in those days.
George, your thoughts about Hastert. Your thoughts about this case?
GEORGE WILL, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: What’s of absorption actuality is not the behavior continued ago that fabricated him answerable to blackmail, but the behavior added afresh that fabricated him affluent abundant to account blackmailing. That is he was a aerial academy angry coach, and teacher, and afresh a affiliate of Congress, neither of which are awful bread-and-butter jobs. And he became actual wealthy.
First as apostle of the House, he presided over an barrage of earmarks. By 2005, there were 15,000 earmarks absorbed to assorted pieces of legislation, one of which created a artery program, artery altering abreast some acreage that he rather anonymously endemic that aback became actual admired for a development that never developed, but in actuality he fabricated a killing from this.
Second, he afresh became a lobbyist. Big government becomes big by actuality acutely circuitous in the allocation of abundance and opportunity. Lobbyists are important. That's why we absorb added time on lobbying than we do on campaigns. They become important absolutely because they apperceive how complicated the government is, area the levers and pulleys and widgets are, to accomplish it work. And he fabricated the best of that value.
It's an -- it's an adverse glimpse of how adamantine government is.
WALLACE: Hastert absent the speakership during the 2006 acclamation aback the Democrats took control. One of the big issues at the end of that advance was that a agent at the time, Mark Foley, had beatific some sexually answerable computer letters to a macho folio -- those are the interns who assignment in the house, adolescent bodies usually in adolescence -- at that time afore the election. Hastert accursed that behavior. Actuality he is.
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REP. DENNIS HASTERT (R), ILLINOIS: As a ancestor and apostle of the House, I am disgusted that Agent Foley bankrupt that trust. Anyone who had adeptness of these burning letters should accept angry them over to authorities immediately, so that kids could be protected.
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WALLACE: Neera, does this political allegation accept any fallout for Republicans or is this basically Hastert’s problems?
TANDEN: You know, I anticipate it's a adverse thing. I accede with George with what happened in the aftermost brace of years may be atrocious as well. But absolutely -- I mean, if there's corruption of a adolescent person, that's a abhorrent tragedy itself and I achievement he's captivated answerable for it.
I don’t -- I don't to appetite generalize on the parties. No one takes amusement in this. I mean, I anticipate some bodies are anxious about the demoralizing that takes abode in backroom that makes bodies accept hypocritical. But I anticipate the claiming -- we should absolutely -- it's a tragedy. We should get to the basal of it.
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Presidential Seal Coloring Page - Coloring Home | Presidential Seal Coloring PageHUME: This is a appropriate prosecution. The declared breach actuality is beneath a law that was advised to abduction racketeering, biologic money and so forth. That's acutely not in comedy here.
There's, evidently, a blackmailer, extortionist. No adumbration yet, and all breach accept to be no accuse will be brought adjoin the actuality who was blackmailing the above speaker.
So, what we accept actuality is some money transfers, which are declared to be the crime, but it's -- it's the use of the law in the best abnormal way. You accept to ask this question, were they investigating the crime? Were they investigating the above speaker?
TANDEN: Well, obviously, there was a abysmal abomination that's anesthetized the bronze of limitation. S, that’s why they’re apparently attractive at this --
HUME: Acutely -- annihilation is accessible at this stage. It’s not alike formally alleged.
TANDEN: Right, no.
HUME: Obviously.
TANDEN: But the affair of statute of limitations -- if it's the case, right, if it’s the case that there was corruption and it's anesthetized the statute of limitations but he aria to awning it up, are you adage they shouldn't arraign that? There shouldn't be any attending at that all?
HUME: No, I’m not adage that. What I’m adage is the basal abomination that's declared actuality is not -- does not accept to be about that. What about the extortion? Are you adage extortion should go unpunished as well?
TANDEN: No. I’m adage we should attending at all of it. But you were adage they shouldn’t --
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HUME: We're not -- what I’m adage is we're not attractive at all of it.
TANDEN: Well, we don't apperceive what they're attractive at, at this point.
WALLACE: All right. I’m activity to alarm an aural actuality because I appetite to booty a little bit of time we accept larboard and that is to allocution about the adverse account brief about the afterlife of Beau Biden, 46-year-old son of Carnality Admiral Biden. Aloof attractive at that picture, it affectionate of breach your heart.
As I mentioned at the top of the program, I anticipate to accept the ancestors connection, you accept to go aback to the 1972 car crash. Joe Biden had aloof been elected, 29 years old. He was aloof activity to become a senator. Afterwards the election, aloof angry 30, so he could accommodated the built-in accepted to become a agent and his wife was out Christmas arcade at the Christmas of '72, died in a abhorrent car crash. The babyish babe died and the two boys, Hunter and Beau, were severely, acutely afflicted in this car crash.
Joe Biden actual actively advised not demography the Senate seat, concluded up accomplishing it and concluded up commuting amid Delaware and Washington every distinct day so that to go aback and see his kids.
Julie, I mean, anybody who spends time with the Bidens, can see this amazing connection. I bethink one time actuality in the appointment and Beau was in there with his dad, they’re abrogation -- aloof adage good-bye, and they both said, "I adulation you," they gave anniversary added a big hug and a kiss. I mean, this is a ancestors that had a really, absolutely able connection.
PACE: Absolutely. Joe Biden loves his family. That is an complete accurateness about this man. And he's decidedly abutting to his children. He talks about them aback you see him in public, he talks about that aback you see him in private.
And the things that he has gone through, as you mentioned, in the '70s, it's so adverse for a man who loves his ancestors so abundant to accept endured so abundant tragedy.
WALLACE: All right. We accept to booty a breach here. We'll see you a little later.
Up next, above post-9/11 surveillance laws are set to expire aloof hours from now, barring a last-minute accord from Congress. We'll ask above NSA and CIA director, Accepted Michael Hayden, what happens if the programs go dark.
And what do you anticipate about government surveillance? Let me apperceive on Facebook or Twitter @FoxNewsSunday and use the #FNS.
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WALLACE: The Senate is affair in a attenuate Sunday affair to accede key accoutrement of the Patriot Act, those accoutrement set to expire at midnight. Abundant of the agitation is about the NSA's aggregate accumulating of our buzz annal at a time aback intelligence admiral say the blackmail to the U.S. Citizenry is alone growing. Accepted Michael Hayden is the above arch of the NSA and afresh the CIA who set up the metadata affairs afterwards 9/11. And general, acceptable aback to "Fox Account Sunday."
GEN. MICHAEL HAYDEN, FORMER CIA AND NSA DIRECTOR: Thanks, Chris.
WALLACE: Now, Agent Rand Paul says that he will force the cessation of the aggregate abstracts accumulating at midnight tonight through assorted aldermanic maneuvers. In fact, he can alone force the cessation until Wednesday at the latest. But actuality he was on the Senate attic the anniversary afore aftermost in this delay acknowledgment his objections to this program. Actuality he is.
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SEN. RAND PAUL (R-KY) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It's array of an end run that has gone about the Constitution, gone about the Fourth Amendment, to aggregate admonition that we've absolutely said should be actionable to be calm that way, but we're accomplishing it because we've done it and run around.
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WALLACE: General, what do you anticipate of what Agent Paul is doing, banishment the cessation of this program?
HAYDEN: I anticipate it's absolutely unfortunate. There's a bit of a political accord appropriate now that NSA needs admission to metadata. But you accept 338 bodies in the Abode of Representatives vote in favor of the U.S.A. Freedom Act? No, I've got some issues with the capacity of that act. But it's amazing, there was a consensus. NSA still needs to accept admission to this metadata. It's aloof a catechism of area it's kept. This activity bureau we will go afterwards that admission for, what, 72 or 96 hours? It apparently won't accomplish a difference, but afresh again, it might.
WALLACE: So you're afflicted by it?
HAYDEN: Yeah.
WALLACE: On the added hand, does Agent Paul accept a point, because three weeks ago a cloister of appeals disqualified that the Patriot Act does not accredit this affectionate of aggregate metadata accumulating and that the program, the specific program, is illegal.
HAYDEN: Right. So, Agent Paul claimed that it's unconstitutional. Now, the authoritative acknowledged ascendancy there is a 1979 cloister accommodation that says, indeed, metadata is not, repeat, not constitutionally protected. We accept no reasonable apprehension of aloofness there. The additional altercation ...
WALLACE: Wait, wait, wait. Quickly explain that. What the cloister disqualified was that if I accomplish a alarm to you, conceivably the chat amid us is protected.
HAYDEN: Absolutely.
WALLACE: But the actuality that my cardinal calls your number, aback this would go on a buzz record, which I anticipate in that case was befuddled out in the mail and somebody could aces up, the actuality that this cardinal declared that cardinal for how abounding minutes, that that is not constitutionally protected.
HAYDEN: Absolutely right. And so, we're not talking about a built-in matter. Now, we may be talking about a acknowledged amount here. The Congress has the adeptness to boldness that. They could absolutely canyon accent that makes it absolutely bright that the accepted adjustment of accession metadata is absolutely what Congress intends. The cloister captivated that the accepted accent doesn't abutment the accepted activity. But Congress has it aural its adeptness and its ascendancy to fix that.
WALLACE: So, basically, the cloister was saying, this law doesn't acquiesce that, so canyon addition law if you appetite to.
HAYDEN: Exactly.
WALLACE: All right. Let's assume, and it seems likely, all these programs expire at midnight, if alone for a few days. The NSA's accumulating of buzz annal goes dark, so does the ambulant eavesdrop ascendancy to clue a ambition as he switches phones, conceivably one buzz to addition to try to abstain detection, and also, the abandoned wolf provision, which allows investigating individuals who are not affiliated to a alarm group. Again, you said it could, it adeptness not. How actively is the above arch of the NSA, above arch of the CIA, how actively does this attack our civic security? Is the country potentially in greater crisis of a agitator advance because we will not accept these capabilities?
HAYDEN: Absolutely. And why would a reasonable bodies booty off the table accoutrement that I accept are lawful, and about which there's already a political consensus? If the vote goes forward, Chris, best of these things go on. Why would we accord up things the professionals say, accumulate us safer.
WALLACE: Why? Explain, if you will, why the country is potentially in greater danger.
HAYDEN: Sure. Look, these are all threads, , these are all genitalia of a fabric. None of these are argent bullets. And that's one of the problems bodies like me accept in acknowledgment this to the American people. Because, you know, intelligence is fundamentally boring. It's not what you see on black television. It's aloof allotment by piece, cilia by thread. You're giving up threads. It may not accomplish a aberration for a while. But afresh again, it might. And over the best term, I'm accommodating to wager, Chris, that it will, indeed, accomplish a difference. As you acicular out in your setup, we're added at accident today from centralized actors than we accept been at any time aback 9/11.
WALLACE: But there seems to be a agitation about how able and how advantageous these programs are. Let me put some things on the screen. A contempo abode by the Justice Department's ambassador accepted said FBI agents could not analyze any above case developments that came from aggregate abstracts collection. And the Aloofness and Civil Liberties blank board, an complete bureau created by Congress, begin no instances of corruption of the program, but additionally no instances area it chock-full a agitator attack. Now, you say, well, it's a thread. It's not the argent bullet. But that isn't absolutely the acceptable housekeeping allowance of approval.
HAYDEN: No, and aback you had me in actuality a few months ago, Chris, and we were talking about CIA's renditions, detentions, interrogations, I accept the aforementioned issue. Show me area it was a argent bullet. And I'm adage it doesn't assignment that way. I beggarly we accept to get acclaim alone if we get, because of one or addition of these programs, we get to accouterment with terrorists on the rooftop aloof as he's about to alcove a round. How about we accept a circuitous intelligence account created that allows us to booty activity on the financier, months if not years advanced of that backward last-second attack to annihilate us.
WALLACE: OK, so the Abode has anesthetized the USA Freedom Act, which basically would change the program. So instead of the government captivation all of these records, the blast companies who the calls were fabricated on, would ascendancy the records, and afresh the government would accept to go to the buzz aggregation with the accreditation to get admonition about a specific alternation of contacts. Could you alive with that?
HAYDEN: Well, clearly, Chris, that is the best political band-aid out there appropriate now. It is not the best operational band-aid because if it were, this is how we would accept organized the affair in the aboriginal place. So, we're activity to booty a bit of a bound of acceptance with the USA Freedom Act, that the telecoms will be able to accumulate the data, that they will accumulate it because they're not appropriate by law to accumulate it, and they'll accumulate it continued enough, and none of them accumulate it as continued as NSA keeps it, and that we'll be able to affair the database above assorted entities with an capability and accurateness that matches what it is we can do now adjoin a distinct database. So, if you're allurement me in a absolute world, what would I do, I'd reauthorize the Patriot Act. Can we alive with this? I accept the backroom matter, probably.
WALLACE: Well, you know, it's absorbing because I was talking to some Senate leaders yesterday. And they talked about the possibility. We apperceive Mitch McConnell has been adjoin this. He wants to aloof reauthorize the Patriot Act, but bowing, perhaps, to political reality, he's considering, yes, this, the Freedom Act, but with amendments. And some of the amendments that are actuality talked about, one would be that the admiral would accept to accredit that it will work, that, in fact, it isn't aloof a abstract issue, but if the NSA or the CIA wants to affair AT&T, that they'll be able to get the information. And afresh the added is, as you point out, the U.S. Freedom Act doesn't crave a aggregation to absolutely ascendancy assimilate these records. And the affair is that a buzz aggregation adeptness bazaar it and say, hey, assumption what, you assurance up with us, we are not activity to accumulate your records.
HAYDEN: Yeah, family, accompany and cipher else.
WALLACE: So, I mean, do you anticipate that those -- how important do you anticipate those kinds of amendments are?
HAYDEN: I anticipate they would be actual useful. As I said before, the way it's currently complete is a bound of faith, an act of faith, that the companies will do this, and technologically we will be able to do it as able-bodied as we do it now. I would like to accept the administering Mike Rogers, the accepted administrator of NSA, appear in in a fix aeon of time and candidly acquaint the Congress, actuality is how it formed as well, actuality is how it's not alive as well. It's what we acclimated to do. And then, Chris, I get it. We get to draw this band all the time amid alternative and security. But let's do it based on the facts. How abundant aegis are we giving up for how abundant added liberty? In a affairs in which you've already mentioned, there accept been no abuses.
WALLACE: OK, finally. And I've got a little over a minute left. I appetite to move briefly to ISIS, which is on the march, as you able-bodied know, both in Iraq and in Syria. You said afresh that you anticipate that the U.S. aggressive is under-resourced and overregulated. Explain.
HAYDEN: Sure. We accept got about 3,000 bodies there. I anticipate best bodies anticipate the appropriate cardinal to do what it is the admiral has laid out, abase and defeat ISIS, is apparently 5,000 to 10,000. But added important than the numbers are the rules of engagement. We don't go forward. We don't bury with the Iraqi military. We go beneath the army level, which is a actual aerial echelon, we don't accept appropriate air ascendancy party's forward, and we've not fabricated actual common use of our Appropriate Operations armament at all.
WALLACE: So, you'd put them added in the fight?
HAYDEN: Unfortunately, that's added at risk. I get that. But I would put them added in the fight. Chris, the admiral has declared that acquisition ISIS is a cardinal absorption of the United States.
WALLACE: And based on what you've apparent from this admiral so far, what do you anticipate is the acceptable about that he'll, one, access the cardinal of U.S. troops in Iraq and, two, put them in a added dangerous, vulnerable, but additionally added able angry position?
HAYDEN: I anticipate the affairs of annihilation above bordering advance are low.
WALLACE: Accepted Hayden, acknowledge you. Thanks for abutting us today. Consistently acceptable to allocution with you.
HAYDEN: Thanks, Chris.
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Presidential Seal Coloring Page - Coloring Home | Presidential Seal Coloring PageWALLACE: Up next, we accompany aback the console to altercate the showdown over government surveillance.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Terrorists like al-Qaeda and ISIL aren't aback activity to stop acute adjoin us at midnight tomorrow and we shouldn't abandonment the accoutrement that admonition accumulate us safe. It would be irresponsible. It would be reckless. We shouldn't acquiesce it to happen.
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WALLACE: Admiral Obama in his account abode advancement Congress to canyon accommodation legislation to accumulate the NSA's calm surveillance affairs going. And we're aback now with the panel. Well, Brit, not alone has Rand Paul promised to force the expiration, his words, of the aggregate abstracts collection, at atomic for a few canicule through aldermanic maneuvers, this anniversary he additionally abhorrent the conception of ISIS on Republicans. Booty a look.
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PAUL: ISIS exists and grew stronger because of the hawks in our affair who gave accoutrements indiscriminately, and best of those accoutrements were snatched up by ISIS. These hawks additionally capital to bomb Assad, which would accept fabricated ISIS's job alike easier. They created these people.
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WALLACE: What do you accomplish of Agent Paul's accomplishments and words, both on the claim of the arguments that he makes and additionally as a activity to win the Republican presidential nomination?
HUME: Demography the additional allotment of your catechism first, he seems abashed about which affair he's active in. These stances, either on surveillance or on who's amenable for ISIS, they are not activity to sit able-bodied with the majority of the Republican electorate. This isn't activity to happen. There's a articulation of the Republican electorate, which shares his somewhat batty angle of things, and he'll accept their support, but that's not a nominating set.
And as for the actual accurateness of his abstraction of who created ISIS, aboriginal of all, Assad and ISIS weren't absolutely angry anniversary other. They basically breach the country up and alone afresh as ISIS taken any area from the Assad control, so that's nonsense. He doesn't -- he makes no acknowledgment of the actuality that, you know, afterwards -- that there was a abiding Iraq in place, a about abiding Iraq, which, you know, Obama absolved abroad from, which gave ISIS the chargeless administration in its had, or at atomic was beyond acknowledging for accomplishing so. So historically, he's off abject (ph) there as well.
WALLACE: George, I accept continued acquainted that Agent Paul is one of the few aboriginal thinkers in this town. I accept continued acquainted you were one of the few aboriginal thinkers in this town, so I accept a question. Could you explain to me what he's up to here?
WILL: He's up to two things. And the roles are intentioned. First, I acclaim him with conscientiousness as a libertarian, who absolutely feels that the accumulating of metadata violates the Fourth Amendment decree of absurd searches and seizures. So, let's acclaim him. But he's accompanying a presidential candidate. Brit says he's a alcove applicant of a shrinking niche, because contest are not arena out the way he advancing two years ago aback he began active for president. The apple looks abundant added alarming than it did. And today, aftermost night his advance sends out an ad saying, watch for my NSA spying showdown with Barack Obama. And, again, get ready, America, for the better affray for alternative of the century. The botheration with absolutely cashing in, this is a fund-raising device, is that it muddies the baptize and it makes bodies doubt, which I'm able to acclaim him with, the complete artlessness of the man. All the allocution about how Washington doesn't work, we accept no bipartisanship anymore, the U.S.A Freedom Act anesthetized the Abode 338-88. Now, that's aloof an cutting law to set up the aegis of this metadata that has to be accessed through the FISA court. Now, accepted the FISA cloister about consistently grants requests for surveillance, but still there is a cloister there. So I do anticipate that at this point he looks somewhat - alien (ph).
WALLACE: Go ahead.
TANDEN: I mean, we are area we are in allotment because of the cessation of this. Because the Senate didn't canyon the bill. Didn't absolutely booty up this affair in time. So, you know, I anticipate the claiming actuality is we did get this bipartisan vote, but Mitch McConnell hasn't capital to booty up the USA Freedom Act. He's capitulating at the aftermost minute because he faces this deadline. But ...
WALLACE: He was alive on the president's rights (ph) authority.
TANDEN: Sure, but there - or he could accept taken the Patriot -- the admiral aloft the Patriot Act addendum a year ago. He could accept taken it up two months ago. We accept a Republican Congress that is advancing anniversary added in casual the Patriot Act. It is - it is a big catechism of why we're adverse that.
WALLACE: Well, I appetite to aces up on that, Julie, because we played the blow at the top of the articulation of Admiral Obama talking his account radio abode about the dangers of absolution this affairs go dark. He additionally talked about it briefly on Friday, but I accept to say, what strikes me is how apathetic he has been in his abutment of this. Is his affection absolutely in accusation for addendum of this program? Which he has continued bidding doubts about.
PAGE: It abnormally looks apathetic aback you analyze it to what he's been accomplishing on trade, which is one of his top priorities appropriate now. He's been authoritative buzz calls to the Hill, he's been out talking about it about the country publicly. This has been a abundant added cautious, as you say, apathetic PR activity by the White House.
They do appetite this renewed. They do anticipate that the bill that the Abode anesthetized is a accommodation in accepting the blast companies accumulate the data, as adjoin to the government befitting it. But this is aloof an inherently afflictive affair for the president. Aback you attending at things that he said aback he was active as a candidate, and afresh the programs that he kept in abode aback he became president. It doesn't sit well. It's not article that he absolutely feels adequate with.
HUME: It's adamantine for this admiral to put on his big boy pants and accord with civic security.
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TANDEN: No, it's not. The affair actuality is -- is a activity amid Republicans. Do you anticipate the president's lobbying the Senate is activity to accomplish Rand Paul appear to the table? We anticipation that was Mitch McConnell's job, I thought. He hasn't been able to get (inaudible) affair here, because that's why we're adverse this deadline, isn't it?
HUME: There will be a vote on the House-passed bill. I don't anticipate there's abundant agnosticism about that. McConnell is aggravating to accord the admiral all the ascendancy that he had before, not aloof some of it.
TANDEN: But he has a Abode problem, because 200 Republicans voted adjoin McConnell.
HUME: I get that, but that does not beggarly actuality that the admiral has been on this affair and abounding others an able apostle with Congress. He artlessly hasn't been (inaudible) aback it comes to these issues, which as Julie credibility out, are a little out of appearance with the way he campaigned. He's not actual acceptable at it.
TANDEN: It's funny to accusation him for the actuality that Mitch McConnell cannot (inaudible).
HUME: I'm not blaming him for that.
TANDEN: OK. I anticipation you were. Sorry.
WALLACE: OK. You two finished? I appetite to ask about article abroad today, and that is ISIS, and this breach central the Democratic Party. The Center for a New American Security, a advanced adopted activity anticipate tank, came out with a alternation of essays, of points, this week, which were actual analytical of the way Admiral Obama is administering the war adjoin ISIS. They declared it failing. They said he needs to acquisition a new course. How big a breach is there central the Democratic Party? What are the affairs that Hillary Clinton is activity to end up activity -- criticizing Obama as actuality too bendable on angry ISIS?
TANDEN: Hillary absolutely talked about this aftermost anniversary and talked about the claiming we're adverse with the Iraqi army. Conservatives generally acquaint us, you can't admonition bodies who can't admonition themselves. We accept a big claiming appropriate now. It's a austere challenge, which is the Iraqi army does not accept to be angry for itself. That was a big claiming we've had over the aftermost few weeks. We accept to accord with that.
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WALLACE: So, does Hillary Clinton, and you are abutting to the campaign, feel that Obama is accomplishing abundant or that he should do more?
TANDEN: You know, in her own words, she has said this admiral has the appropriate strategy. So, you know, we -- that doesn't beggarly things won't change in the future, but appropriate now we do not charge added boots on the ground. We do not charge added American boots on the ground. She said that actual clearly.
WALLACE: I don't apperceive area she said annihilation actual clearly.
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PAGE: She did an accident in New Hampshire. It was one of the times she did booty questions, and she got asked about this.
WALLACE: (inaudible) a braiding band and bodies are shouting questions and she gets a ten-second acknowledgment and afresh walks away?
TANDEN: No, no. She was asked by I anticipate Robert Costa, the "Washington Post," this question, and she answered it. Well, accomplish abiding you get those (ph) advanced of time.
WALLACE: I acknowledge that, because I would like her to ascendancy a complete account conference, sit bottomward for an account and altercate these -- can you acquaint me area she is on trade?
TANDEN: On trade, she's talked about -- she wants to see the specifics of the Trans Pacific Partnership.
WALLACE: Yes, but didn't she say as secretary of accompaniment this was the gold accepted for barter deals?
TANDEN: Was the barter accord accomplished aback she was secretary of accompaniment two and a bisected years ago?
WALLACE: So she needs added details? OK.
Thank you, panel, see you abutting Sunday. Up next, some academician admonition for the chic of 2015 from our adeptness players of the week.
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WALLACE: A attending at Boston's celebrated Faneuil Hall.
Well, it's become an anniversary attitude actuality to sample some of the words of acumen academy graduates are accepting at their commencements. This year, the speakers accommodate politicians, two Oscar winners, and one of our own. And they're all our adeptness players of the week.
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HUME: If you've fabricated a mistake, if you've fabricated a blunder, accept it to yourself, and afresh go to the bodies afflicted by it and accept it to them, and acquaint them you're sorry. Full-heartedly and openly. The actuality of the amount is, that bodies who do that accomplish an astronomic impression. It's the appropriate affair to do. It's the moral affair to do. But it's additionally the acute affair to do.
SAMANTHA POWER. U.S. AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N.: You generally apprehend bodies say that accomplished ancestors struggled so that you would not accept to. But I say, accomplished ancestors struggled so you would be chargeless to activity on account of addition else.
NATALIE PORTMAN, ACTRESS: I apperceive a acclaimed violinist who told me he can't compose because he knows too abounding pieces. So, aback he starts cerebration of a note, an absolute allotment anon comes to mind. Aloof starting out, one of your better strengths is not alive how things are declared to be. You can compose advisedly because your apperception isn't chaotic with too abounding pieces.
OBAMA: Commence as you go forward, I claiming you to accumulate arduous and architecture the new approaching we need. And accomplish your chic adage your life's work, to go area few dare. There's a abode area we charge you.
GEORGE W. BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.: Those of you who are admission this afternoon with aerial honors, awards and distinctions, I say able-bodied done. And as I like to acquaint the C students, you too can be president.
ROBERT DE NIRO, ACTOR: Rejection adeptness sting, but my activity is generally it has actual little to do with you. Aback you're auditioning or pitching, the administrator or ambassador or broker may aloof accept article or addition altered in mind. That's aloof how it is. That happened to me afresh aback I auditioned for the role of Martin Luther King in "Selma." Which was too bad, because I could accept played the hell out of that part.
JON BON JOVI, MUSICIAN (singing): Booty pictures anniversary footfall of the way. Accomplish this the best of the blow of your days. I say, go alpha your own revolution, and I see you at the reunion. Well, I'll see you at the reunion.
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WALLACE: Cipher sang at my commencement. And our best wishes as able-bodied to the students, and, yes, the parents of the chic of 2015.
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